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Title: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 06, 2019, 11:41:45 PM
 With all the threads on shooting and hunting with lighter weight bows I just needed to make my own mind up about them. Like my opinion amounts to a hill of beans but here it is anyway. I have always shot mid and fairly heavy weight bows 55-65lbs normally and always with arrows 600-800 grains. And I like many have about seen it all over the years , dealt with target panic and injuries and so on. But at the moment all is good with no issues no injuries and my 57lb longbow and heavy arrows are getting the job done just fine. Just wanted to see how the lighter side lives for myself and make my own decision on it. So I got a Galaxy Ember longbow with 35lb limbs ( scales 42lbs at my 30in draw ) and some 500 spine arrows and started this experiment.
And all my experiments involve hunting so check back on here and see how it turned out. The 500 spine arrows I got off here used and fit the bill for the bow , with 125gr points they are 420gr total. But I can shoot up to a 200gr point also on them and they still hit where I'm looking. Shooting the bow seems effortless and I can definitely see an advantage in that aspect of a light poundage bow. Seems it's just as fast as my usual set-ups so no problem with that. I have a 50 target range in my front pasture and my shooting is no better or worse with the light bow. I like to anchor and hold when I shoot and I can hold this thing for a long long time if needed ( actually kinda fun ). So far the only hold back is thinking it's just a girly bow with not enough rear end for hunting. So off hunting I take it to see if it gets a pass or fail , I'm just back home from a 4 day hunt with details to come..

,,Sam,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 07, 2019, 12:30:51 AM
 I know light bows will kill and have been doing so for a long time I just have never done it or know anyone that has. I am a fan of hard hitting arrows and big broadheads and good blood trails. To be honest I would never have thought I would enter the woods with a 40lb bow and a what I consider a toothpick 450ish grain arrow. But all you guys light bow talk got me thinking about it..
We ain't getting any younger and I figured one day I might have to drop my bow weight or if I get hurt again ( have torn both rotators left and right ) a 40lb bow should be ready if needed. And being ready means tested and rigged and ready to hunt...

Galaxy Ember longbow 42@30
Easton 500 carbons
GN quiver
Broadheads 125-200gr

My issues are with thinking the penetration ain't going to be to my liking , I know it won't compare with my normal gear in this area. Also having to tell people I'm shooting a 40lb bow , responses go something like oh want me to hold your purse while you shoot. The lighter arrows are they as durable as the heavy shafts I normally shoot ?? Will shooting the lighter bows make it harder to shoot a heavy bow ?? Will I start painting my nails and start to like shopping more if I keep shooting the light stuff ??

,,Sam,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: A Lex on January 07, 2019, 02:30:59 AM
Will I start painting my nails and start to like shopping more if I keep shooting the light stuff ??

,,Sam,,


Darn it Sam, I just laughed at that end bit and managed to spit a mouthful of coffee all over the computer  :biglaugh:

Best
Lex
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: ausjim on January 07, 2019, 06:02:27 AM
Sam, good on you for putting this up so others can share in your experience. I know I'll be following with interest.

As far as your ego goes, maybe keep this in mind. In the Aussie outback we have an expression by which to judge our fellow man, "The bigger the hat, the smaller the ... farm".

And hey, you could look for some stuff by Jason Wesbrok, one of the resident shooting contributers to traditional bowhunter magazine. I'm pretty sure he usually hunts with something around the 50# mark and has been a real ambassador for accuracy over weight for hunting arrows. I'm not sure if I read that in the mag or maybe on their forums. But by all accounts he's quite a shot!

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Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 07, 2019, 06:27:48 AM
Prime example is myself.

I'm pushing 71 years old, 165 pounds soaking wet.

I've had 3 heart attacks, have two stints in my major artery, and been through rotator cuff surgery.

But my 42# girly bow has planted quite a few deer.
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: Terry Green on January 07, 2019, 06:35:14 AM
Don't worry Sam, I won't let your having fun get this thread turned broadside.

:bigsmyl:
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: Hopewell Tom on January 07, 2019, 07:48:00 AM
Those "good old boys" don't really want to hold your purse. Not that you have one, of course, that would be a murse...

I don't think it's your bow weight that determines your manliness, it's about how much you can drink!


45 pound bows seem to be quite effective.
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: TIM B on January 07, 2019, 08:02:01 AM
I'm always in for a Sammy story.  I droped down to a 50# bow this year and have to go see a ortho dr about my shoulder Friday.  Not sure what I done.

Roy- come inside when it's rainin and ya won't be soaking wet.
Tim B
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 07, 2019, 09:10:23 AM
I understand this has ruffled some feathers and I guess that's ok , my post is not an attempt to get folks mad. I guess my attempt at humor will not go over for everyone. If you will follow along as I finish and read my final thoughts on it you can sleep easier tonight.

And I could really 100% care less what someone thinks of me or the bow I shoot weather it's 40lbs or 70lbs , they can go kick rocks as far as I'm concerned..


,,,Sam,,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: Eric Krewson on January 07, 2019, 09:22:33 AM
I used to shoot the heavy weights and pull around 60# with my favorite bow and companion for the last few years. The last few times I shot it my neck protested for days. I started shooting lighter bows and the neck quit acting up.

Like Roy I am 71 and had to have my back, shoulder and lately a hernia fixed, all of which took something away from me. I am sure I will no longer be able to shoot my favorite bow and will opt for some lightweight ones I have .
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: The Whittler on January 07, 2019, 09:42:29 AM
No matter what the weight it's still a bow and can kill. I find with arthritis and as my age goes up my bow weight goes down  :goldtooth: as long as you enjoy it have fun.
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 07, 2019, 10:12:33 AM
 I was and still am one to make the hold your purse comment and will continue to be me but that's just how I am. The bow tuned in good witch is for me a visual thing until my arrows fly like lasers ( insert get more people mad here ) I don't paper tune or cut down shafts. I adjust brace and tip weight and nock point to get things right and it has always worked for me. And so happens I can shoot 125gr and up to 200gr points with great arrow flight. With the speed of the bow I don't notice any change in shooting from my other bows. A few weeks of shooting really has me happy with the bow and I know I can put the arrow where it need to go. It took me a while just to get used to the string feeling , was like I felt I could not get off the string. I shoot a deep hook and have a hard anchor and hold at full draw ( another get people mad here ) to me that's control of the shot. Not saying you have to hold at anchor to shoot good just saying you should be able to do both. To me complete control of your shot is a must I can snap shoot or hold at anchor for 30 seconds if I have to. I believe controlling your shot is the total key to shooting a bow well and being a happy hunter.

In my opinion if you can't draw back and hold if needed in a hunting situation you are doing yourself a disservice. Not saying you have to just saying if you say you can't do it cause you just don't shoot that way I say your not in control of your shot. One of the best shooters I know has no pause in his shot soon as he hits anchor it gone and he regularly kick my tail shooting. But he can also hold at anchor if needed and shoot with the best of em. I'm still on the light bow subject so stay with me here...

,,,Sam,,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: David Mitchell on January 07, 2019, 10:34:04 AM
Sam, I'm loving this!  I don't know why some people like to get their panties in a wad over how somebody else chooses to shoot and enjoy this sport.  I have dropped in draw weight recently doing the Jim Casto TP program and have essentially the same set up you have--Galaxy Ember longbow, 35# limbs giving me the same weight  you are getting with yours at my 30+ draw.  I will follow this post with great interest.  I'm glad the derogatory comments of some don't get to you.  Of course, you could always just take a Sharpie and make your bow 70#  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: jonsimoneau on January 07, 2019, 10:51:34 AM
Sam, for what it's worth, I've always shot around 53 pounds for whitetails and have even used that same weight for big critters in Africa with no trouble whatsoever. This past spring I decided to get serious about rebuilding my shot from the ground up. I got an ILF riser and a couple of sets of limbs. Started shooting 35 pounds while I reworked my shot. Slowly moved up to 40 pounds. Have never shot better. Then I put on a set of limbs giving me about 44 or 45 pounds at my draw. By now it was getting close to hunting season so I also was regularly shooting my 53 pound Habu recurve. After months of testing, there was no way to deny the fact that while I was shooting my 53 pounder very well, I could shoot 45 pounds better. I decided to hunt with it. I did not get the opportunity to test it on a big mature Illinois buck this season but I've shot 2 does so far and I'm both cases the arrow was sticking in the dirt after zipping through the deer. I still think more weight is better if you can shoot it accurately so I'll be working my way up in weight but if I would not feel the least bit concerned with 40 pounds for whitetails. I'm shooting a 500 grain arrow and a 2 blade head.
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 07, 2019, 12:09:36 PM
 I did not get to read the comments before they were deleted but anyone if free to send me a PM with any comments they have. I'm a big boy and can handle it good or bad , like I said this is how I see it. And like I said my opinion is just that mine not a end all be all just my thoughts....

I sure don't agree with everything I read on the internet or everything I hear from others. But I try and figure out what works and what don't and I expect no one to take what I say as the final answer...

Along with shooting the light set up I noticed I can shoot longer sessions without shoulder pain and fatigue. And honestly I'm thinking my accuracy is a little better the more I shoot it. Going to start keeping score on my 50 target course and see if that's true or not. It is much easier for me ( for me ) to achieve good form with the lighter bow. That being said I still shoot my heaviest bows just fine just can't do it all day long. The light bow is just a pleasure to shoot kinda like a guilty pleasure that you do but know you shouldn't.....

,,Sam,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 07, 2019, 12:12:35 PM
David I am going to get a white marker and change the 35 to 85 , that way no one will want to shoot my bow......

,,Sam,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on January 07, 2019, 02:30:35 PM
 :campfire:
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: DanielB89 on January 07, 2019, 02:48:10 PM

Quote from: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 07, 2019, 12:12:35 PM
David I am going to get a white marker and change the 35 to 85 , that way no one will want to shoot my bow......

,,Sam,,
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: ron w on January 07, 2019, 03:03:49 PM
Looking forward to see how this comes out after you hunt with it for a bit. I do know that the bear in my avatar was shot with a 45# girlie bow. :saywhat:
The bear didn't know it and was dead in 10-12 seconds.........complete pass thru. I think you maybe surprised. :dunno:  :coffee:
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: the rifleman on January 07, 2019, 03:30:12 PM
40#s is plenty for whitetail.  This is all I use and can tell you the reason---my accuracy with this weight bow is consistent.  I can shoot this bow all day and not hurt myself so practicing is a daily thing for me.  A great shot with 35# trumps a bad shot with any weight any day of the week.

I get a kick out of guys shooting higher poundage bows and not getting anywhere near their face at release.  Not really much to be gained by pulling a 60# bow back 24 inches.

Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: Tommy D on January 07, 2019, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 07, 2019, 12:30:51 AM
Will I start painting my nails and start to like shopping more if I keep shooting the light stuff ??

,,Sam,,

hmmm. When I talked to you this afternoon, you were in Bass Pro.

Shopping.

Is a man purse next?   :biglaugh:



I'm pretty sure you could throw rocks and kill stuff, draw weight of your bow doesn't matter.
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 07, 2019, 04:35:47 PM
 It's called a satchel, Indiana Jones wears one.....

,,Sam,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: pdk25 on January 07, 2019, 05:52:19 PM
Go for it.  I wish more people would post about these things, as well as s times when penetration was an issue on hogs.  I have been shooting progressively lighter weight bows, as well as the heavier stuff.  Wouldn't expect much problems for deer, and our longer draw length helps a ton.
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: M60gunner on January 07, 2019, 05:56:50 PM
I am following along as well. I am going towards the 74 year mark. My 60# recurve I shot last year is hanging on the wall. My 55# recurves are not as much fun either. My LB at 55#'s is still fine, I think because of its length. I set up a bow last year with some 42# carbon/foam limbs. It's easier to hold but I am having a heck of a time with consistency. Tried 3under as well. Maybe the bow is to physically light? I will admit I am not much of a hunter any more but I do have my Javelin tag but to lazy to go hunt in the rain and snow we have had here. I say that lite bow should do for one of those big rats? Opinions are welcome, my man purse has a Marine Corps emblem on it so no one says anything about it to my face.
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: Stunchy on January 07, 2019, 06:11:02 PM
I know peer pressure is a real thing, at any age, but I think you just need to remind yourself why you are shooting your bow in the first place. If you're hunting, then nothing but ethical kills and the amount of meat in your freezer should be the measure by which you and your equipment are judged. 

If you are target shooting, then it's all about accuracy.  I find observers and competitors care about 100 times more about the accuracy of your shots than they do your draw weight. 

And if someone can't outshoot you but they make fun of the weight of your bow, well I think the members of this forum could come up with quite a few suitable replies...
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 08, 2019, 10:45:58 AM
 I do plan on doing some penetration test shooting with broadheads and different weight arrows ( for my own benefit ). Big hogs are tough critters for sure but I think with the right shot angle ( shot placement ) it's very doable. Also do agree my longer draw length is a gteat help for me , think I'm going to do some chronograph testing also. I also was very picky with my shots at animals last weekend , passed on many shots that I would have taken easily with my normal gear.....

,,,Sam,,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: rufus_d on January 08, 2019, 11:06:18 AM
I recall reading something Jim Dougerty wrote, whom I've always admired, even when he went  to compound. When he was struggling with his cancer he went to a light compound, very light. He stated that several deer and turkeys couldn't tell he was shooting a light bow. They were just as dead.
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 08, 2019, 11:31:32 AM
Still have a hunting story for the end of this , arrows were shot at critters...

I don't think I'm reinventing the wheel here about lightweight bows , I think many could really benefit form owning one. I understand it's been said but I don't think most get it through our thick skulls , it's just easier to shoot a light bow..

I will continue to shoot my heavy stuff all the time but the light bow has a place. Take it how you want and if it don't apply to you then don't listen to what I'm saying ( I never listened in the past ). I currently don't have any shooting issues and am very happy with my shooting and hunting success ,  but the lightweight bow is helping and reinforcing this. As said above ( and I was one of them years ago ) 70lb bow but releasing 2-3 inches short of full draw. So don't get all wound up and mad if your a great archer with crappy form then go on with your bad self and keep on keeping on. This is an attempt at helping those that want to be helped , again this is my opinion.  Consistent relatable form will take the majority of shooters ( maybe not you if you are already awesome ) to a better place in shooting a bow..

,,,Sam,,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: Sam McMichael on January 08, 2019, 11:53:31 AM
Sam, I am enjoying this thread a lot, and somewhat grudgingly must agree with your findings. I started out shooting heavy bows (and still prefer them), but due to age and injuries, it is just too difficult to stay in good condition/health necessary to handle them easily. I have used 78#, 65#, 58# bows successfully. However, since my draw is short, I haven't pulled the full weight of them. Now. though my stand by bows are both 53# at 28, so I am actually shooting in the 40"s. They handle superbly. I only dropped the string once this year, but I could not have asked for better performance. I scored a double lung kill, and he only went 35 yards or so. Can't complain about that. When I go to very light bows, my release gets sloppy, though, so I think I will stay with in the 50 - 55# range. When I was younger, I used to consider it somewhat unmanly to use lighter equipment, but as I grew to be a more sensible man, I have somewhat changed my views.

In my deer camp, I am the only archer, so I catch a certain amount of grief as a matter of principle. They especially look down on my haversack. They finally quit calling it a purse when they realized I didn't care about their derisive remarks, especially when they saw how much useful stuff it easily carries.

Just please don't anybody start a thread touting the effectiveness of pink camo. It is hard enough to accept the efficacy of pink fletching. After all, there is only so much progress us Neanderthals can assimilate.
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 08, 2019, 11:59:31 AM
 I always want to improve my shooting ability who wouldn't and I honestly believe the lightweight bows can help many and also can be effective hunting tools. I see way to many people struggle in trad archery and it's not pretty sometimes. I have had every shooting issue you could think of at one point or another and it sucks. Dang near gave up bowhunting at one point many years ago but an old used 30lb recurve was the key to working through my issues. This was way before the internet and programs and classes that we have now..

This again is my opinion ,  on the debate on light-vs-heavy , I think anyone can tell my 65lbs and a 700gr arrow will penetrate better than my 42lb with 450gr arrow will. Not saying ( you ) but if that heavy arrow can't hit the animal then what's the use..

I will choose my set-up for a hunt based on what I think I need for a particular animal , that decision is yours also. So if I choose to carry some gear in my purse that day then that's exactly what I will do...

I also say I'm a knuckle dragging , tobacco spitting , hairy butted MAN and if you don't like my purse that's just fine...

,,,Sam,,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: kennym on January 08, 2019, 12:10:19 PM
Sam, yer just making way too much sense here... LOL
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 08, 2019, 12:26:05 PM
I could probably benefit from taking one of the internet classes or a live class just haven't tried one yet. I have control of my shot and I can guarantee 100% this has made my shooting at animals way less stressful ( and just my shooting in general also ). I try and help others get through shooting issues and the majority refuse to shoot a light bow and just continue reinforcing bad form as a result. Again shoot the heaviest bow you can handle for sure but be honest with yourself on what that weight is. And if your a great shot with a heavy or light bow with crappy form witch might be your style and works then I'm happy for you..

One of my issues is shooting in front of others I just don't like it , it always takes me a while to settle down and start shooting good. But once I'm settled in I'm good to go , sounds silly but it's true. Luckily I don't have this problem while hunting....

,,Sam,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 08, 2019, 12:45:41 PM
Again I wish I could shoot 70 pounds all day everyday , I wish I could I just can't do it. For those that can and do that is awesome and for the guys like me that can't don't jack with them either.

I still hope to do a dangerous game hunt before I die witch will require a 80-90lb rig witch I know I can do with some training. So if anyone wishes to donate to the Sam needs money to hunt a Cape Buffalo fund just let me know and I will set up an account......

,,,Sam,,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: GCook on January 08, 2019, 12:57:28 PM
Gofundme

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Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on January 08, 2019, 02:21:43 PM
Hey sam, I wear a plaid purse and shoot poorly in crowds.  Too busy talking and my head leaves the shooting game. I shoot best when alone, partly because there's no witness and mostly cause it's true.

Keep on buddy. I often step back to light weight when having not shot in a while, otherwise bad habits rear quickly.
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: 1Arrow1Kill on January 08, 2019, 04:15:08 PM
Dang Sam, I'm 65 years old and all my trad whitetail bows are #45 or under and I only shoot cedar arrows with 125 grain Magnus Stinger 2-blade broadheads.  When practicing at longer ranges, my 'compound-shooting-wanabe' hunting partner is known to ask me, "Does your husband shoot a real bow?"  He's merely jealous as I know he remembers the all years I totally out shot him with my Mathews Reezen.  Don't think the purse and painted nails would fly at our camp!!!  Serious though, at 25 yards and under I get mostly pass-thrus and great blood trails.  Also, I enjoy shooting my #45 pound long bows and recurve for longer periods of time than I would heavier bows.  :archer2:
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 09, 2019, 01:26:00 AM
Getting down to the bottom of this I , me , Sam Stephens think the lighter weight bows are a great tool for hunting as long as you choose your shots wisely. And a great tool for new archers and to help solve problems with any archer. Plenty of advice here on form and coaching also classes on shooting a bow , but a person has to want to become a better shooter.

No doubt the heavier the bow and arrow combo is the better the penetration will be for the most part. I know some bows are better faster than others so not getting in that debate. I'm talking 2 bows by the same maker same style just one is heavier than the other. If this were not true then go hunt you a elk with a 20lb bow and a 200gr arrow. But at the end of the day my 42lb cheap production longbow that has no soul will flat kill the crap out of stuff.

,,,Sam,,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: Tom on January 09, 2019, 06:31:45 AM
Sam, like you I don't give a rats butt what other people shoot or carry to their hunt. 20 years ago I shot 65# at my draw length,10 years ago it was mid 50's, and now in my late 60 range I am shooting a recurve that is 45@29.5 and am still enjoying shooting/hunting. I can still pull heavier bows but not all day long anymore.I will continue to use equipment that will be effective on deer and only take ethical shots.I have seen what my bow will do with a heavy arrow/mid range draw weight and am satisfied. If someone thinks I shoot girly weight that's their problem I just want to keep shooting my bows. Do whatever you need to do to keep in the game-whether heavy or light.
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: Porkchop1 on January 09, 2019, 11:56:58 AM
As some have seen by my other posts recently, I'm just getting back into shooting traditional.  I have a 55#@28" longbow and a 45#@28 recurve.  This past weekend I went to our range with the plan on shooting my longbow for 2-3 hours practicing form and I only managed 1 hour before my arm and shoulder were shaking too much.  I plan I pulling out the recurve and shooting it, who knows I may find that like you Sam, the lighter weight becomes just too fun to not shoot it permanently.
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: STICKBENDER98 on January 09, 2019, 04:49:43 PM
This has been very interesting reading so far, and I am very interested in the results you come up with in the end.  I have gone through some shoulder issues with my right one, have been able to work through them with some physical therapy, and some strengthening exercises, I dropped in bow weight while doing this a couple years ago, but now am back shooting my normal bow weight which is 50-55#s.  I have noticed while going through this using a lower poundage bow it has helped me  with my consistency and being able to hit and hold my anchor longer, and better.  (By the way G Fred calls them Haversacks  :biglaugh: :biglaugh:)


Jason
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: FlintNSteel on January 09, 2019, 08:54:55 PM
Like many here, I used to shoot very heavy bows...70+ pounds.  For a long time I shot bows in the mid-60's and was very comfortable with it.  I'm now in the lower 50's. 

But for light bow experience, my wife has killed several whitetails with a 38# longbow and 5/16 diameter, 26" long cedar shafts and the little Zwickey Eskimo head.  Now, she is NOT getting passthru's, but she is getting enough penetration for double lung quick kills.  She is deadly accurate and takes only the best possible shot opportunities and passes the rest.  15 yards and under is where she's at.
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: GCook on January 09, 2019, 10:06:44 PM
Quote from: FlintNSteel on January 09, 2019, 08:54:55 PM
Like many here, I used to shoot very heavy bows...70+ pounds.  For a long time I shot bows in the mid-60's and was very comfortable with it.  I'm now in the lower 50's. 

But for light bow experience, my wife has killed several whitetails with a 38# longbow and 5/16 diameter, 26" long cedar shafts and the little Zwickey Eskimo head.  Now, she is NOT getting passthru's, but she is getting enough penetration for double lung quick kills.  She is deadly accurate and takes only the best possible shot opportunities and passes the rest.  15 yards and under is where she's at.
I appreciate this post.

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Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: 1whitetail1 on January 09, 2019, 11:16:30 PM
Sir, You will probably not start painting your nails. But if you do be aware that, cross dressing sometimes follows. If that becomes a problem we can talk you through it. I am pushing 70 and 45 lbs  is a struggle. Us old guys need all the help we can get. 1whitetail1
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 11, 2019, 11:38:41 AM
 Took the lightweight on a hunt last week hoping for some insight on it's effectiveness...

The set-up is....

Galaxy Ember 60in 42@30
GN quiver
Easton 500 carbon arrows 31in
200gr CutThroat heads
495 grain total arrow weight

Was hunting in the Texas Hillcountry ( all free range no high fence ) during the trip I saw Whitetail , hogs , turkey , Axis , Aoudad. Ended up getting a few shots and the little bow did great and for sure gave me new insight on the topic.

,,,Sam,,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: MAW on January 11, 2019, 12:11:29 PM
Hold forth Sam! Let's hear that story. My shoulder hasn't quit hurting since elk season from all my practice with my 62# Bob Lee so I'm listening intently here..
Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 11, 2019, 12:11:49 PM
Had many close call with hogs but never shot an arrow at one might could have but was wanting the absolute perfect shot angle. Honestly would have made the shots with my regular set-up , have done it many times. So it did cost me a few shots during the hunt but I guess everything has it gives and takes.

Had a out 30 turkey hens come in and one of them was a bearded hen and with some patience I was able to put a great shot on her. I was in a treestand and it ain't easy getting drawn on 30 turkey and getting a shot off. I had drawn back and was at full draw and had to have the bow so close to the tree my quiver hung up on tree. I was able to hold at full draw move over and still make the shot and she only made it 50 yards. So the ease of the lightweight bow was a big help in this situation for sure. The shot angle was almost straight down and the arrow penetrated with ease until the broadhead hit the ground...

This is the second bearded hen I have ever killed and the first one also came off this same ranch. Very beautiful bird....

,,Sam,,
Title: Re: My Turn....
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Title: Re: My Turn....
Post by: 1Arrow1Kill on January 11, 2019, 12:32:42 PM
Hummmm . . . No Purse or Painted Nails, but I see you're now carrying a pretty 'Fan'.  Time to go shopping next?   :archer:

Nice bird Sam.  Congrats on using the light equipment.  There's always room in the Old Timers Club for new members.
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Post by: GCook on January 11, 2019, 12:38:53 PM
Good shooting sir!

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Post by: arrow30 on January 11, 2019, 12:42:44 PM
nice trophy bird, congratts!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 11, 2019, 01:15:08 PM
Now need something a little larger to shoot at but while waiting one morning I had about 70 hen turkey visit me. And as luck would have it I get to anchor and shoot right over the ol girl and right into a big rock. After the dust had settled I sneak over to my arrow cause it's laying right in the trail and to my surprise it's just fine. It had dead centered a big rock and broadhead and arrow were good as new so the light arrow seems to be pretty tough...

About an hour later 4 Aoudad come out of a draw and start working my direction. It takes about 30min but they are now at about 12yds...

Will finish in a ltttle while , have a lunch meeting....

,,Sam,,,
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Post by: Blaino on January 11, 2019, 02:02:16 PM
Mr. Stephens has a weapon that slings sharp sticks..... critter will be made into meals!

Lets see the big 4 legged stuff.
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on January 11, 2019, 02:38:43 PM
Congrats on the turkey Sam. Looking forward to more :campfire:
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Post by: bloodtrailin on January 11, 2019, 02:46:36 PM
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44# Toelke Whip 450gr arrow. Think it was enough?


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Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 11, 2019, 04:53:41 PM
 So they have worked into about 12yds and I now have a big ewe standing slightly quartered away. I'm able to get to full draw without being seen , I see the spot I want the arrow to go but talk myself out of it. I'm thinking stay well off the shoulder and moved my bow hand on purpose a little over to the right. And when I release the arrow hit back farther to the right than I wanted it to but penetrating to the nock. They bolted up the hill and she stopped and started walking slow , I could see blood running down her side as she walked out of sight. Not happy with the shot placement but I know it's a killing shot , will need to give her time. Got down and was sneaking out along the creek as not to spook anything , looked up to my left and ther she is bedded up looking right at me.

Before I can move on she stands up and to my amazement walks my direction , she only moved 10yds and bedded in some cedars. I eased on out and gave it several hours. Upon returning she had never moved and was stone dead , the shot angel was better than than I thought. She had only gone about 65 yards or so from where the arrow hit her. She is a 5 year old big mature Aoudad...

,,,Sam,,,
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Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 11, 2019, 05:00:09 PM
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Post by: Blaino on January 11, 2019, 05:16:52 PM
I knew it, congrats!!!
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Post by: GCook on January 11, 2019, 05:59:38 PM
You're doing well!

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Post by: STICKBENDER98 on January 11, 2019, 07:12:27 PM
 :archer2: Great job!!! I love the assortment of colors in your quiver!!!


Jason
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Post by: Bvas on January 11, 2019, 07:46:09 PM
Dang Sam.
Sounds like you're havin a good time.  :thumbsup:

Almost wish I lived in Texas.......almost.
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Post by: GCook on January 11, 2019, 08:14:15 PM


Quote from: Bvas on January 11, 2019, 07:46:09 PM

Almost wish I lived in Texas.......almost.

I promise no Texan has said that about Ohio.[emoji16]

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Post by: TIM B on January 11, 2019, 08:19:48 PM
Attaboy Sammy....you are a killer and a inspiration to many....
Tim B
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Post by: bloodtrailin on January 11, 2019, 08:21:54 PM
Youakilla


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Post by: Kopper1013 on January 11, 2019, 08:46:43 PM
Well if anybody is gonna put a bow or setup to the test it will be you lol :biglaugh: congratulations so far look forward to following this further
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Post by: Bvas on January 11, 2019, 09:01:56 PM
Quote from: GCook on January 11, 2019, 08:14:15 PM


Quote from: Bvas on January 11, 2019, 07:46:09 PM

Almost wish I lived in Texas.......almost.

I promise no Texan has said that about Ohio.[emoji16]

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That's cuz they aren't tough enough to hack it :biglaugh:
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Post by: azhunter on January 11, 2019, 09:19:57 PM
Congratulations on the animals. I appreciate your post and your thoughts and experience. It wasn't too long ago that it seemed often times when someone would ask or talk about lower bow weight there would be a lot of responses that were not very positive. Great that you are open minded even though you are able to shoot pretty heavy bows. Always enjoy reading your posts and seeing your pictures.
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Post by: GCook on January 11, 2019, 09:22:37 PM
Quote from: Bvas on January 11, 2019, 09:01:56 PM
Quote from: GCook on January 11, 2019, 08:14:15 PM


Quote from: Bvas on January 11, 2019, 07:46:09 PM

Almost wish I lived in Texas.......almost.

I promise no Texan has said that about Ohio.[emoji16]

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That's cuz they aren't tough enough to hack it :biglaugh:
Yeah that cold would kick my . . .

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Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 12, 2019, 07:36:42 PM
Going to try and fill my last 2 doe tags with the light bow , if I do any good I'll post some pics..

,,Sam,,
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Post by: GCook on January 12, 2019, 08:46:06 PM
Sam I think this is a case of it being the Indian, not bow or arrow.
Looking forward to pics.

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Post by: Tony Sanders on January 13, 2019, 10:20:29 AM
 Go get em Sam. Congrats and thanks for posting this bow test. Quite informative.

  Tony Sanders/aka"SNUFFER"
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Post by: mistercmath on January 13, 2019, 07:18:35 PM
Nice work with that bow, Sam.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on January 14, 2019, 02:24:04 PM
Great goat Sam. Audads are cool critters. Congrats!
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Post by: FlintNSteel on January 14, 2019, 03:59:10 PM
Sam, thanks for starting the post and doing the "live" tests.  I'm kind of a "seeing is believing" type, and you're showing the proof.

While I'm still a believer in shooting as much as one can accurately handle, I know in my case that has been going down in weight over the years, but not enough to cause me concern as I'm still up in the 50's.  As I mentioned in my other post, my wife has killed whitetails with what I consider very low poundage and light arrows, but none of them have been "big" heavy deer....hers have been yearling bucks/does.  I'm after bucks that are of considerably more size than that.  I have a beautiful Big River longbow that is around 48# at my 30" draw, but it's never been in the field after big game.  Your results have me rethinking that!  :thumbsup:

Mike
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Post by: cacciatore on January 14, 2019, 05:11:48 PM
Very interesting study,Sam and like always congrats for your animals.
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Post by: mark Willoughby on January 15, 2019, 10:36:06 AM
Yea the 40# bow is a killing machine just ask all the deer I've shot with mine .... wait a second you can't bc there all dead
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Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 15, 2019, 09:59:42 PM
 Soon as I'm back home from work I will be heading out for the last of our deer season. Just made up a new dozen 500 spine arrows and plan on getting to know the bow a little better , hope to get some shots at some hogs also. As I said so far I like the lightweight bow and still wondering a few things also. Will post up anything my little mind figures out along the way...

,,,Sam,,,