First off good day to all who read this. I have been creeping for a while and haven't a need to post anything till now. I couldn't find an equipment only thread so if I am in the wrong spot please let me know.
I am finally biting the bullet and getting myself a Black Hunter Longbow. 45lb at 28". I have been shooting a Samick Sage at the same poundage with a 28" draw. I am wondering if I am able to use the same arrows for both? I have been shooting 400 spine Game Getter 2's cut to 30" with 145 grain field points and 160 grain Eskimos. I was a compound shooter years ago and back in the day it was read the chart and pick your arrows. That is what I did for the recurve and it seems to have worked as they fly really well.
By the chart with my point weight I should be shooting 2018 or 2114. These are not available from my bow shop as all they keep for aluminums are Game Getter in the standard spines 340,400 and 500. Should I drop down(?) to 500 or would my 400 be okay?
I would get the closest spine to what youthink you need and leave length or trim as needed. They can't order you some camo hunters or legacys? Those come in the spines you need.
When I talked to them all they had with feathers were the Gamegetters but a good idea is to see if they can order. I am an hour from one shop and an hour and a half from the other and I am the only trad shooter in my group so I am kind of flying by the seat of my pants with things.
you could just wait till you get the new bow then see how ur arrows fly...if they dont fly well you can change point weight first before you buy different shafts.
you could also order from one of the sponsors here and build ur own
Quote from: durp on December 28, 2018, 02:22:40 PM
you could just wait till you get the new bow then see how ur arrows fly...if they dont fly well you can change point weight first before you buy different shafts.
you could also order from one of the sponsors here and build ur own
I think that is what I will do. It should be pretty close I think.
I would love to get the stuff and make my own but do not have the space at the time. That is the plan in the future. When it happens I will be looking to sponsors for parts and pieces but I live in Canada and in the middle of no where Canada (Google Dawson Creek. We are Mile 0 of the Alaska highway), so between exchange and shipping it gets a bit out of hand. I will for sure be checking things out before I order though. Even getting the 145 grain field tips was a pain.
Thanks for the help gents.
I also assumed you fletched your own arrows. If you start rolling your own your options become much more vast.
Quote from: bigbadjon on December 28, 2018, 04:31:37 PM
I also assumed you fletched your own arrows. If you start rolling your own your options become much more vast.
Something that I really want to do. This whole life could be a rabbit hole to fall down.
Hey Shaun, first off welcome back to Traditional archery and Tradgang.The people on this site are second to none and are willing to help you through a lot of issues.I,vet been shooting recurves and longbows for close to 55 years.I live in Swift Current Saskatchewan and my son lives close to you in Grande Praire Alberta.I learned years ago to make all my own because of where I live.The black hunter longbows are excellent ,I have 2 of them.Thesponsors on this site are also excellent . I could list 15 or sponsors I deal with and all will give you excellent products and service.Keep your orders under 100.00 at a time and Canada customs will usually let it go. The older Easton spine charts were a little out as you can shoot lighter than what they suggest.I shoot 2114 and 2018,s out of 55-60pound bows at 28". If you become truly dedicated definitely build your own, I can help you.
Thanks Steve for the reply. It is nice to hear good things about suppliers, especially sponsors of the page. Like I said exchange is a pain. I have been doing some looking though and I might get the stuff to make my own arrows. Is there any particular sponsors on here that would be better than others to order from. I would be looking for shafts and fletching.
Sounds like you have lots of experience with living "North of the border".
For my 45# Stewart longbow I have found 1916s with 175g out front to perform the best.
Happy New Year!
Quote from: GRAYBEARD on December 30, 2018, 02:58:37 PM
For my 45# Stewart longbow I have found 1916s with 175g out front to perform the best.
Happy New Year!
Thanks for the info. The whole arrow thing is way too confusing.
Hey Shaun ,Jed ( Greybeard) is right,1916,s should be perfect for you setup.Ive had good luck on #bay, can usually find some good deals.
I will go looking for 1916's then.
Thanks gents.
And Happy New Year as well.
Also would 1916 be okay to run with an 11/32 ferrule broadhead or do I have to get an adapter?
No need for an adapter, it will work fine. Hope this all works out for ya.At first it all may seam confusing, after doing soon shooting and tuning it will all come together.
Because this bow is cut past center you will have troubles shooting 1916's out of it. Go with what you already have with those 400's but if you want to try something different try the 500's, which should also work for you.
2018's will be too stiff for you. 2114's will work but so will the 500's-aboout the same spine) Believe 500's are 2016's.
I have the 40# version. I used velcro for rest and side plate. I shoot 1816 at 29" long and draw 28" 100 grain points. I think 1916 would be tunable for you. I also have the same bow in 55# and shoot 2016's at 29" and 150 grain points. Both bareshaft fine out to 25. However each shooter and style vary. What works for one may not work for others. I also use D97 strings.
Thanks for the help guys. I think that I will try my 400 spines that I have now and if they don't seem to work then I will go with a different setup. If I can run the ones I have now then I can save up to get what I need to make some others myself.
Like I said this whole arrow tune thing is new to me.
I used to shoot a saxon that was the same weight and I used 1916's 1" longer BOP so 29" total,, 175/200 gr points.... if you want lighter and faster go with 2114's with 125's (if I remember correctly the 21= diameter 14= wall thickness)
shoot a few bareshaft 400's and tell us what the arrows are doing and we can help you tune it to fly perfect.
What is the easiest way to set up a bareshaft target?
I have a Black hunter longbow 40lbs at 30" with a calf hair side plate and a cabelas warden 45lbs at 30" (which is pretty much a samick sage clone) with a Bear side plate that came with the bear hair rest. I have both of these pretty well tuned with full length 2016 camo hunters with 200gr points. I do have an endless loop X-99 string on the black hunter and a Flemish B50 string on the warden, so that probably helped them tune to the same arrow.
Bow showed up yesterday and I got it home today! Pretty nice looking rig. Got it strung right now to get some stretch out of the string. I will hopefully be able to shoot it on Sunday. See what the weather is doing. I'll let you know how things go. If not it will be Tuesday.
Thanks for all the info folks.
FWIW, I have three different bows in the 42-45 lb. range at my draw length of 27.5". All three shoot a 29.5" 2117 with 145 grain tip bare shaft perfectly.
I went round and round with spine charts, calculators, and a dozen 2016's. Even a set of 1916's. Could never beat the results I got with 2117's.
Thanks for the info. No shooting today as I got back to town late and ran out of daylight. Also pretty cold out today. Tuesday it will be.
Got out tonight to shoot. Best I have done yet! First group at seven paces was right on. Ten went good and even out to twenty I was consistent. Smooth bow but quite a bit noisier than my Sage. I will have to look into that.
I didn't get a chance to shoot a bareshaft as I haven't stripped fletching off one of my arrows yet. Three fletch, 30", with 145 grain field tips they seem to be kicking to the right from what I can see in arrow flight. Also they are hitting knock high, but that can be fixed by adjusting my nock point, correct? I am shooting split and tied the nock half an inch above level.
I shoot split, 5/8 nock and about 7 3/4" brace height on mine. Some shoot 7 - 7 1/4. I couldn't get mine quiet that low.
I noticed that it was quite a bit louder than my recurve as the string really seems to resonate. I had it at 7 3/4 and dropped it to 7 1/2 and it sounded a little quieter. I will adjust my nock height a bit and see. Thanks for the help.
i'm shooting 1916s out of mine at 45 @ 28 with a round toothpick split in half behind the bear leather side plate.
take it out & can shoot 2016s, both arrows cut to 29 1/2".
by the way it's a pretty impressive bow for the money.
I have had a chance to shoot a few times and things are looking good with the 30" 400 GG. I got an new fastflite string for it that I have yet to try and have tied in some beaver balls so I am going to try with this setup a few times and see how things go. If not I found a different chart that shows actual bow weight and my point weight and it says the same 400 spine but at full length so I might have to pick up a different set of arrows for it.