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Title: "Possibly" A new alternative for 3 D Target repair!
Post by: Keefer on April 25, 2018, 04:40:14 PM
   Now I am not sure I put this up here last year or not but I ask has "Anyone" ever tried this "SIKA" 2 part foam yet?
Last year as we were pouring this mixture in a post hole and let it work it's magic as described we had some overflow that we cut with a regular flat pvc pipe saw and I thought "What If" I shared this with everyone that may be trying to salvage a shot up vital zone on their 3D Targets or better yet basically any target.
  There is enough of this in the bag to do several targets at one time if you lay them flat and just pour in holes and let it set.
It sets in 3 minutes and suppose to be fully cured in 3 hours.
   Just throwing this out there and it can be found for $11.95 at a few hardware stores.
  I may have already posted it so forgive me if I did already but if I didn't here it is !
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Post by: Friend on April 25, 2018, 06:17:43 PM
Is it abrasive to arrows?
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Post by: arrow30 on April 25, 2018, 06:25:25 PM
I'm guessing that if is a denser foam than the spray cans, if so it should work very good. :thumbsup: thanks for the tip o the day.
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Post by: Keefer on April 25, 2018, 06:47:10 PM
Friend,
  It has the same density like spray foam or those Delta targets . If you own a farrier's rasp you could shape it to the form or body of the animal I would think!
I have a bag of it but I only have a 18/1 rinehart target and don't want to waste the rest of what is in the bag.
All you do is break a seal between the two mixtures in the bag and roll it for 20 seconds across your leg to mix then cut corner of bag and pour !
  Expands very quick and dries quick.
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Post by: Blackstick on April 25, 2018, 07:38:06 PM
I love target repair tips and tricks. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by: ChuckC on April 25, 2018, 08:10:28 PM
How much does it puff up ?  Can this be poured into one of those " You stuff it" type targets to fill it with foam ?
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Post by: Friend on April 25, 2018, 11:20:21 PM
Keefer...Thank you for your response

I am planning give to it a go on a couple Blob targets that had been set aside to be discarded.

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Post by: Keefer on April 26, 2018, 05:07:26 AM
Quote from: ChuckC on April 25, 2018, 08:10:28 PM
How much does it puff up ?  Can this be poured into one of those " You stuff it" type targets to fill it with foam ?

  Chuck this stuff expands and push's itself against the wall of the hole you dig for posts and expands to the top very quickly !
What I witnessed is if a hole is 24 to 30" deep and you pour the entire bag in it will expand to top in several minutes and extra just overflows and sort of "MUSHROOMS" out.
  It is made for setting posts,mailbox's and whatever you would need concrete to  hold but best thing is no water needed and no tools to mix it.
I am just throwing this out there for folks to try it "BUT" I have never used what I have yet on any target.
As mentioned can it be used in a blob target ? I would guess yes but I have not tried it.
I would think if someone poured a little into the holes and let it expand to the point of overflowing then just use a serrated bread knife to follow contour of target they could save their target ?
  Some can be found in the major hardware stores in the cement isle but best check your local area because not all carry it.
If you have three 3 D targets that are shot up then I think one bag will do all three if you use it sparingly and not go crazy with it.
Worth a try is all I'm saying ! :archer2:
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Post by: Keefer on April 26, 2018, 05:10:51 AM
If you click on the picture it will enlarge so you can read instructions on the bag . :thumbsup:
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Post by: Keefer on April 26, 2018, 04:03:21 PM
For folks who may wonder or want to compare it with the best I can say is it is like the green foam board that comes in a 4'x8' x 2" thick sheet at Lowe's and Home Depot!
  Actually this came from H.D. and it is somewhat like the spray foam density as well when cured.
Just remember to pour slowly and don't fill holes to top cause it expands like a mushroom once it leaves the hole .
I saw someone recently on another site wrap plastic wrap around his beat up target and that is good if you can leave an area to put a plastic funnel and pour it in and let it expand.
It is a liquid and like a somewhat watery milkshake when pouring it.
If a hole is dry and dug as instructions show it works pretty good .
If you make a plywood box say 2'x2' square and drill a hole in top and screw together I guess one could make a quick block target sort of like a cube .May take two bags to fill it but use your imagination and fill a big soda bottle or something  but leave the cap off to expand!
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Post by: hunting badger on April 26, 2018, 08:02:40 PM
I'm thinking if you took a poly bag and this stuff to your hunting camp you could make your blob target on site after you arrived, that would be sweet!!!!
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Post by: Friend on April 26, 2018, 08:50:08 PM
There are some informative instructional videos on youtube.
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Post by: Friend on April 27, 2018, 10:12:31 AM
Giving it a go.

Repaired two Blobs and a BH target this morning for $10.

Note; The expansion is much greater than I had anticipated...will have to do considerable trimming. Could have easily repaired another target.

Will put some rounds in a repaired Blob tomorrow.
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Post by: 1/4 away on April 27, 2018, 01:17:55 PM
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Post by: 1/4 away on April 27, 2018, 01:23:42 PM
Okay so I tried to post pics for a sort of step by step of Keefer's target build. I guess the pic size was too large for multiple pics in one post so I had to do them individually. I let Keefer explain the pics.
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Post by: Hermon on April 27, 2018, 01:26:44 PM
Keefer-Was that an entire bag in the 5 gallon bucket?  Have you shot it yet?
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Post by: Keefer on April 27, 2018, 03:35:30 PM
Hermon Yes it was the entire bag and I asked Fred if he could load the pictures because I was at work and he has better knowledge on how to put on here.
I just got home a little while ago and hurried up and went in my shop and shot about 18 arrows into it and it held up well.
Arrows pulled out easy and this thing is 100% cured with no goo or uncured foam.
This was just a test to see how quickly it expanded and cured.
I wished I took my 18/1 rhinehart target to work and filled the center but forgot to and I just figured what the heck just put in a bucket and see what happens.
  Now I put liquid soap on a paper towel and smeared all over the inside of bucket as a release agent like spraying a mold to release parts.
I also ran a piece of 12 gauge ground wire and wrapped it around a spray can of paint to make a circle for the bottom so wire could rest on the bottom of bucket and help pull foam out of bucket when cured.
  This stuff got hot as I adjusted the copper wire and I decided to put a digital thermometer just to see how "Hot" this stuff got.
Pictures show the room temperature when I started and the foam temperature when I stuck probe in.
  Yes it actually got 280.4 degree's F.
  After a good hour I had to leave and do some work but came back and took a long thin 1" piece of flat aluminum stock and cut around inside wall of 5 gallon bucket to help release it.
Glad I soaped the wall cause it took a little effort but popped right out.
So I made a eye loop in the wire and installed a string so I could hang in on a tree limb and have fun.
It hasn't chipped yet but only shot 18 arrows but I'm certain if hit on the edge it may break off a chunk but so far I like the results.
  Thinking that bucket foam can make a nice emoji man for kids to shoot know what I'm saying?
:archer2: :goldtooth:
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Post by: arrow30 on April 27, 2018, 06:52:24 PM
make a good traveling broadhead target if you travel a little ways from home to hunt.
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Post by: STICKBENDER98 on April 28, 2018, 07:03:47 AM
This is very interesting, I'm curious if a cardboard bow would work the same as the bucket, so you wouldn't have to remove the foam block.  I'm wondering how much pressure the foam would on the box as it expands. Looks like I have another fun project to try. 

Jason
Title: Re: "Possibly" A new alternative for 3 D Target repair!
Post by: Keefer on April 28, 2018, 01:14:06 PM
Jason ,
  I was wondering the same thing last night and as long as there is a open top I would think it will just rise like it did in the bucket but I would wrap a good duck tape around box several times to keep it from bursting.
   If you try it maybe a 16 to 18" square box will do . What you see is one full bag that I poured in a 5 gallon bucket and it expanded out to a nice round top about 4" or so above the bucket.
   Maybe those Big soda bottles will be neat to fill and tie a string and let hang in the woods for bottle foam stumping?
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  I even thought of laying it down and put a set of cardboard ears and a snout to look like a pig with some short stumpy legs would be fun?
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Post by: Bisch on May 01, 2018, 09:09:45 PM
Quote from: Keefer on April 28, 2018, 01:14:06 PM
I even thought of laying it down and put a set of cardboard ears and a snout to look like a pig with some short stumpy legs would be fun?

I like that idea!!!  Put a little curly tail on it too!! 

Bisch


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Post by: Rustic on May 02, 2018, 06:24:54 AM
Thanks for sharing. I'm always looking for new ways to build my 3-D targets.
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Post by: amicus on May 02, 2018, 11:43:06 AM
Does it work well with a fence post?
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Post by: Keefer on May 02, 2018, 12:34:02 PM
Quote from: amicus on May 02, 2018, 11:43:06 AM
Does it work well with a fence post?

  If you follow the directions and put in a dry hole it should work but we only used it to set post rails and "Yes" cement is stronger but once you tie in other posts I would say Yes it will work.
  There is information on the "Sika" brand and other brands that are similar and some show just how strong it is "If" done correctly.
What we liked about it we didn't need water,wheelbarrow, or had to wait to continue but just the several hours for full cure time.
  I started pouring the mix in the bucket and it was like 8:35 a.m. and in about 2 minutes it was expanded 1/2 way up the bucket and about 7 minutes or less out of the bucket and started to cure. A hour or so I set my watch on it and it was cured.
  The temperature of the mix got 280.4 degrees and "Hot" !
  I really just wanted folks to "Think" of all the possibility's  you could use this stuff on.
Main thing was if your range has several 3 D targets that can get through another season why not try a few and see "If" you can save them?
  I have seen it as low as $9.40 but according to how many bags you purchase but at HD (HOME DEPOT ) beeter check on line to see if yours has it first it can be around $11.45 or $12.00...If I am not aloud to post that please forgive me and I will come back and delete Hd.