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Title: Spalted Maple
Post by: skeaterbait on February 05, 2018, 11:06:00 AM
I know spalted maple, to be used for a riser, needs to be stabilized, but what about veneers? Does the epoxy impregnate the veneers enough to effectively stabilize the wood?
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: kennym on February 05, 2018, 05:42:00 PM
I think so if they are thin and not too rotten....  :D
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: kennym on February 05, 2018, 05:42:00 PM
Red cedar is soft too, but works for veneers if thin enough for the epoxy to soak into them a bit.
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: skeaterbait on February 05, 2018, 06:13:00 PM
Thanks Kenny, I was hoping that would be the case. I have a lot of maple with some streaking in it.
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: kennym on February 05, 2018, 06:18:00 PM
I'd keep em thin as you can, not much strength in it . New sander , you oughta be able to do like .0075 , eh?

Oh and when you glue up, put the glue on em and then with the glass also glued, flip the glass over on the lam. You won't break the glass by turning it.  

Nope, don't even ask....... lol
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: kennym on February 05, 2018, 06:18:00 PM
And I was kiddin about the .0075"
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: skeaterbait on February 05, 2018, 06:41:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by kennym:
And I was kiddin about the .0075"
So maybe .0125"    :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: skeaterbait on February 05, 2018, 06:42:00 PM
I was thinking .003 or .004
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: Bvas on February 05, 2018, 06:48:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by skeaterbait:
I was thinking .003 or .004
Easy on those zeros skeater!!!
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: kennym on February 05, 2018, 07:09:00 PM
I was thinkin .015 or .020
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: monterey on February 05, 2018, 07:33:00 PM
.021 is as thin as I've ever gone and that was kinda nerve wracking.
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: kennym on February 05, 2018, 07:41:00 PM
You say with streaking, is that like brown streaks or the black fungi streaks?

Mike, I took some natural aboo down to .010 once to see if it would, you could almost read thru it....
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: skeaterbait on February 05, 2018, 08:30:00 PM
It has black fungi streaks.

Now you know why I am not allowed to run the tape measure... yeah, .03 or .04 is what I meant.
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: kennym on February 05, 2018, 09:08:00 PM
LOL , that stuff is on its way to rotten. If you can get glue to saturate it, it will be good.

Hmmmm, wonder about treating it with some type of thinner clear drying glue and finish sanding it?  I don't know, the heat box would probably break the other glue down.
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: monterey on February 05, 2018, 10:20:00 PM
How about some minwax wood hardener?
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: nashoba on February 05, 2018, 10:38:00 PM
I've made a few out of spalted maple that were 55 lbs. , I used .05 veneers and never had a problem .
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: fujimo on February 06, 2018, 12:34:00 AM
could the epoxy not be thinned with  a bit of acetone- like the Massey finish- let it soak in- and the excess wiped off, and then normal epoxy be applied?
so kind of sizing it with watered down epoxy- like  one does with TB3 and skins etc
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: mikkekeswick on February 06, 2018, 03:32:00 AM
No need, just leave them thicker as said above 0.050.
Even though it isn't a huge amount stabalizing veneers is pretty pointless as it just adds weight to the limbs - not good!
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: Will Cocke 2 on February 06, 2018, 02:39:00 PM
Ive never had trouble using spalted maple in veneers unstabilized .  Cut your dust collection off when running them through your sander and use 60grit.  If you are going to use stabilized veneer glue it to your core wood then you can take the veneer down to 10 thou easily  boo backed veneer
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: fujimo on February 06, 2018, 02:49:00 PM
good point Will, but why cut off the dust collection?
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: Will Cocke 2 on February 06, 2018, 03:13:00 PM
The dust collection will break the veneers some of the time,  never had one break with it off.
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: fujimo on February 06, 2018, 11:28:00 PM
man your shop vac must have some pull to it!!   :D
Title: Re: Spalted Maple
Post by: Horsey on February 07, 2018, 07:59:00 AM
Spalted maple makes beautiful veneers.  I have used it a bunch.  Be careful grinding the veneers too thin though.  They have a tendency to split when you apply pressure during the glue up.  I even start with my air compressor off and let pressure build up slowly.  My recommendation is to grind them to .03" or .025", but no less.  Note: If they do split it does not cause a problem structurally.  You will just see the core wood through the split.  If you are using a maple core wood, any splits will hardly be visible.

--Mike