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Title: I beam riser ?
Post by: Forwardhandle on January 12, 2018, 09:15:00 AM
Hi Fellas Im putting my riser material together for a Kennym  bow , Kennym mentioned that I beaming with just wood increases the strength of the riser ,Im assuming that means putting one peace vertical grained & one peace horazontal  grain ? Or a combanation of alternating grains ?  I just want to make sure Im thinking right ?
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Buemaker on January 12, 2018, 09:56:00 AM
Here is a recurve handle blank with Sonokeling Rosewood with an Ibeam of Bubinga and contrasting Birch veneers.
 (http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/6B1373E5-E19D-4CB4-A92D-1CD94963B96E_zpspgmk8vne.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/6B1373E5-E19D-4CB4-A92D-1CD94963B96E_zpspgmk8vne.jpg.html)
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Buemaker on January 12, 2018, 09:59:00 AM
Finished RD bow with Ibeam. I offset the Ibeam to get its full strength in the cut out sight window
  (http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/image_zpsh2npfdlz.jpeg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/image_zpsh2npfdlz.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Forwardhandle on January 12, 2018, 10:10:00 AM
Verry nice thanks for posting that  I appreciate it  beautifull !
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: on January 12, 2018, 10:14:00 AM
No 90 degree grains...  Keep them all length wise...
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Mike Mecredy on January 12, 2018, 11:55:00 AM
Really nice.
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 12, 2018, 12:15:00 PM
Bue that is awesome.
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: kennym on January 12, 2018, 12:39:00 PM
Nice! love the accents in there!!
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Forwardhandle on January 12, 2018, 01:21:00 PM
Ok at the risk of sounding dense ,but in then pic above it looks like the outer 2 peaces of wood are flat grained  and the center peace is edge grained ?  That would put them 90 deg,s grain wise to each other ,  or em I seeing it wrong ?
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Buemaker on January 12, 2018, 02:13:00 PM
You are seeing correct. When glued up like that with strong woods like Rosewood and Bubinga I do not think it matters.
The finished bow have an Ibeam of Lignostone and all pieces are flat grain.
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Forwardhandle on January 12, 2018, 02:38:00 PM
Ok thanks got it !  Im going to use Mozanbique & rock maple , I recently used Mozanbique on a all wood bow riser that wood is about as dense of wood as I have ever worked Thanks !
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Bvas on January 12, 2018, 02:53:00 PM
As simple as this topic may seem.....it can get confusing quickly to some(myself included   ;)   ).

Please   :pray:   someone correct me if I'm wrong.

There are four possible grain orientations from best to worst:
-Vertical Flat
-Vertical Edge
-Horizontal Flat
-Horizontal Edge
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 12, 2018, 03:35:00 PM
I would think all edge grain in main part and ibeam will be stronger. no more than quarter sawn is best.
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Bvas on January 12, 2018, 03:51:00 PM
Stic, are you speaking when looking at side of bow or back to belly.

I should clarify, I was referencing side view.
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 12, 2018, 05:01:00 PM
Heck it's only a gwass bow....  :)
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: TradBowyer on January 12, 2018, 05:34:00 PM
don't forget when gluing individual strips of wood together they become homogenous so grain orientation becomes less critical. making an I beam riser is the same concept as actionwood. individual pieces glued together as one is stronger than a single block
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: kennym on January 12, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by TradBowyer:
don't forget when gluing individual strips of wood together they become homogenous so grain orientation becomes less critical. making an I beam riser is the same concept as actionwood. individual pieces glued together as one is stronger than a single block
Yes, you could cut the block in 3 pcs and reverse the center one and increase strength a lot!
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Forwardhandle on January 12, 2018, 06:32:00 PM
Sounds good Kenny I will do it with both peaces , glad I started the thread I have a much better understanding of the concept now ,thanks fellas, I was thinking it had to do with grain orientation prior to the thread !
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: kennym on January 12, 2018, 06:41:00 PM
If you can, make the grain like Bue's outer pcs. Won't hurt if you have a choice, plus shows grain better on sides of riser.
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: Buemaker on January 12, 2018, 06:44:00 PM
It's only rock'n roll and I like it like it, yes I do.   ;)
Title: Re: I beam riser ?
Post by: kennym on January 12, 2018, 06:46:00 PM
:thumbsup: