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Title: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: BenBow on February 13, 2015, 09:07:00 PM
I'll be adding the pictures I took as Ralph redid my Ridgid sander. BTW Ralph's one smart guy to figure this out.
I'll put the pictures grouped the way the project progressed Ralph can fill in the detail.
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: BenBow on February 13, 2015, 09:15:00 PM
The first group will be preparing the drum.
Measuring the outside diameter of the sandpaper.
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Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 13, 2015, 09:16:00 PM
Ralph is ok, I guess..  :)
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: BenBow on February 13, 2015, 09:21:00 PM
The next group is building and installing the guide bearing.
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Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: BenBow on February 13, 2015, 09:22:00 PM
Didn't allow me to put more than 8 images so I'll add the last of the group here.
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Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: BenBow on February 13, 2015, 09:32:00 PM
The next group is removing the osculation on the Ridgid sander

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Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 13, 2015, 09:36:00 PM
That's a lot of work to make a self bow..  :)
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: BenBow on February 13, 2015, 09:37:00 PM
Building the spacer to raise the sander.

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Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: BenBow on February 13, 2015, 09:46:00 PM
Cutting the drum to install the guide bearing.
Starting by marking the drum level with the table.

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Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: BenBow on February 13, 2015, 09:52:00 PM
Here's the finished project and it works SO much better than before. Thanks again Ralph!
Ralph had to file a notch so the guide bearing had enough clearance.

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The belt runs true and right against the guide bearing.
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Ready to go all I have to do is build the templates.
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Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 13, 2015, 09:56:00 PM
Pretty neat guys...
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: BenBow on February 13, 2015, 10:00:00 PM
Roy can you imagine the kind of self bow Ralph could build as tricky as he is.
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: rmorris on February 13, 2015, 11:43:00 PM
Here we go...
First set of pictures- Measuring the OD of the sandpaper and drum to make the rub collar the correct size. I think we made it 3.100" with the 40 grit sandpaper and then using a clamp to expand and remove the drum.
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: rmorris on February 13, 2015, 11:51:00 PM
The next set of pictures are scribing out the OD of the rub collar on a piece of corrian,pressing it onto my sacrificial block (used super glue), cutting the final OD to 3.100" and then using a foresner bit to do the majority of the work for cutting the ID to 1.998". The last pictures are pressing the bearing into the corrian and the parting the rub collar from the wood.
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: rmorris on February 14, 2015, 12:02:00 AM
Next we are taking apart the sander, removing the base and then the cap that houses the oscillating mechanism. after using a high tech tool to remove the grease you will find the "E Clip" by pressing on each end at the same time with a screwdriver, it will eventually fly across the room. A slight tug will then remove half of the mechanism , exposing the bearing.
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: rmorris on February 14, 2015, 12:30:00 AM
The bearing has an OH of .875 which is just under the ID of a 3/4" copper pipe coupling . So placing a piece of copper pipe inside the coupling crates a perfect shoulder for the bearing. I set the copper pipe down below the coupling just under 1/4" and then fastened the 2 pipes together with a screw( rivet, soldering or any other method should also work) I dont remember the the final length I made this part but after doing a few test runs by putting everything back together and checking the height of the now non oscillating sander, we put it back together with the new copper part.
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: rmorris on February 14, 2015, 12:42:00 AM
I then scribed out the height of the table on the drum with a razor blade  and added the thickness of the rub collar plus 1/16". T then turned down the drum to the upper scribe line to 1.003" and press fit the new rub collar and bearing onto the new drum.
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: rmorris on February 14, 2015, 12:53:00 AM
Some advice I have for this project is use a proper late, not a wood lathe set up with an x-y vice... also Corrian tends to press fit best with only a few thousnads undersized and the nylon drum needs about 3 thousands the stay pressed. I plan on in the next day showing how to make a pattern sander without a lathe, using the rubber drums as a spindle sander...

Hope this helps
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on February 14, 2015, 06:53:00 AM
You boys sure are going through a lot of work for a simple pattern sander.

Think about what I'm going to tell ya.

"A small piece of plywood and a PVC toilet flange"

Tweeked your interest yet?
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: choochoou on February 14, 2015, 08:30:00 AM
I'm tweeked !
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on February 14, 2015, 09:41:00 AM
I'll see if I can get some pictures and post later.

Been using this set up for years.
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: Frank Novak on February 14, 2015, 09:44:00 AM
Ralph, things seem pretty straight forward. The only question I have is, does the oscillating part with the legs go back in after the copper fittings are installed or do the copper fitting just bottom out on the plastic cover after its reinstalled? Great thread. Frank
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: goobersan on February 14, 2015, 09:45:00 AM
Thanks for the re-build-along guys. Can't wait to modify mine and make some really nice selfbows    :archer:
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: savage1 on February 14, 2015, 11:13:00 AM
Very nice. I have one of those..

Lou
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: rmorris on February 14, 2015, 11:43:00 AM
If you buy an extra drum you can fairly quickly change between the copper spacer for non osolation or back to the original parts for osolation.

I just put mine in a zip lock bag incase I ever want it original again.
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: BenBow on February 14, 2015, 12:12:00 PM
What I like is how much better and smoother the Ridgid sander works with out the osculation
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: rmorris on February 14, 2015, 12:14:00 PM
Hey Ole Roy, I am intimidated by making a self bow. Dan sent me a nice stave a few years ago, I have pulled it out about a thousand times and looked at it but too scared to touch it!
I understand mechanical things and mainly got into bow making because I like making the jigs and fixtures. Someday I will find someone to hold my hand while I make my first self bow .
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: rmorris on February 14, 2015, 12:16:00 PM
Galen we may have to meet up today, i forgot to send you home with a bunch of corrian
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: BenBow on February 14, 2015, 12:23:00 PM
Thanks Ralph let me know what works for you. I'm on permanent Saturdays so I can come any time.
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 14, 2015, 12:56:00 PM
Don't be skeered, Ralph. You have the smarts to do it... Cough, choke, gezze did I just say that?    :laughing:
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: BenBow on February 14, 2015, 06:07:00 PM
Roy I've been toying around with all wood but I'm skeered it would make me cantankerous like some other wood bow builders    :nono:
Title: Re: rmorris's pattern sander Ridgid sander rebuild (pic heavy)
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 14, 2015, 06:45:00 PM
EXCUSE ME???

:)  LOL