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Title: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 19, 2014, 03:53:00 PM
Is giving me fits     :confused:    One half of the stave was really narrow so the limbs are only 1 1/8" wide.    The handle area is a deflexed hump that's 7/8" wide at the arrow pass and 1 3/8" at the thickest point, but narrows a lot at the belly, down to about 1/2".  I was leery about taking much more wood off at the fades, as narrow as the handle is.  

 (http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/ostave6_zpsa18b98d5.png)

 (http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/ostave4_zps7f53dfc3.png)

 (http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/ostave5_zpse9599921.png)

 (http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/ostave3_zps3dfef82d.png)
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 19, 2014, 04:04:00 PM
So here's where I'm at now.  Still looks like it should bend more coming out of the fades?  It's a pretty light bow, a little over 40# now and 66" tip to tip.  Shot about 40 arrows thru it (with my blue taped on rest) and I like the way it shoots.  What do you stave guys think?

(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/ostavebow1_zps16dac5c2.png)

(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/ostavebow2_zpsfa231e95.png)

(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/ostavebow_zps0294c733.png)
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Sam Harper on July 19, 2014, 04:07:00 PM
That bow's got some sexy curves.  That's what I think.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 19, 2014, 04:22:00 PM
I'm just hoping they're in the right places, Sam    :)
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Bowjunkie on July 19, 2014, 04:29:00 PM
It doesnt look too bad in relation to the unbraced profile, but I'm on my phone and am going to reserve judgement until I get to my computer and can do a better comparison.

Looks like a challenging piece though.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 19, 2014, 04:51:00 PM
Appreciate you looking it over when you get to your computer, Jeff.  Most of my bows have been from boards and I have a better understanding of what "straight as a board" means now.  These staves are a whole 'nother thing.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 19, 2014, 06:00:00 PM
I guess it's ok.  :)
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: John Scifres on July 19, 2014, 06:43:00 PM
Yes, get it bending a bit more at the fade there on top especially.  Cool bow! Nice job so far.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 19, 2014, 07:16:00 PM
Thanks Roy, where the heck you been?     :goldtooth:

I'll do some careful scraping at those fades, John, especially the top one.  Thanks again!
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 19, 2014, 08:19:00 PM
I agree with John.

Been around Greg, had some problems but it's all better now.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Bowjunkie on July 19, 2014, 10:02:00 PM
Considering everything relative to the unbraced profile, I actually think it looks very good... perhaps a wee lil bit of scraping at the upper fade area, but be careful. Unbraced, the top has more reflex coming out of the handle, so it SHOULD 'look' like it's bending less there.

That's a challenging stave without even considering the width and lack of wood in the handle area. Good job so far.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: bubby on July 19, 2014, 10:08:00 PM
a few scrapes on the bottom fade, about 10-12 on the top
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 19, 2014, 10:26:00 PM
Thanks for the input guys, it's much appreciated.  I haven't done anything to it yet, but probably will work on it later tonight.  Just going to do some careful scraping on the top fade and see how it looks.  Thanks for the kind words.

Good to see ya on the forum Roy!  I don't trust anybody else to let me know that my bow is ok, I guess.    :wavey:
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 20, 2014, 08:39:00 AM
:thumbsup:    :laughing:
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: George Tsoukalas on July 20, 2014, 03:14:00 PM
It looks good. Very difficult tiller.

The area in the upper limb which seems to be in question shows a deflex unbraced. I wonder if everyone forgot that?

Jawge
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Bowjunkie on July 20, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
I NEVER forget the unbraced profile, Jawge. So no, not everyone :^) Actually, I think the area in question is reflexed unbraced. Remember, the natural shape of this stave is not unlike a reverse-handled longbow.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 20, 2014, 05:08:00 PM
Thanks for the comments Jawge and Jeff.  Yeah, it is a funky bend coming out of the top fade; it goes right from being deflexed to reflexed.  The stave actually had over 3" of reflex in the top limb, while the bottom one had none.  Originally I tried to even the reflex out with my heat gun, but I lost most of it during tillering so I just flipped the tips.  You're on the money as far as the reverse handle goes, Jeff.
I decided to scrape and sand just the top fade and I think it looks better.  My photographer is gone for the day now, but I'm hoping to have a picture of it later.
Thanks again for all your help, guys.  I have two more staves now, one osage and one hickory, that are both really straight, wide, and thick.  Watch me screw 'em up    :)
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Bowjunkie on July 21, 2014, 05:48:00 AM
Lol. I'm sure you'll do fine.

Keep the pictures coming. I haven't got my shop together yet since I moved a month ago, so I'm bowyering vicariously through you guys  :)
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: macbow on July 21, 2014, 07:23:00 AM
Love these type of posts. Haven't been enough lately.
Looking good.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: George Tsoukalas on July 21, 2014, 02:43:00 PM
takefive, did you miss a ring at the bend on the back? Jawge
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Pat B on July 21, 2014, 03:12:00 PM
I agree that the upper fade needs a few scrapes. Also you could take an inch or two off each tip and get a few more pounds out of her.
That looks like a pretty difficult bow to tiller and so far you are right on track.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 22, 2014, 01:43:00 AM
Good eye, Jawge, I sure did.  It's pretty thin ringed to begin with, and they bunch up there a bit at that hump.  It doesn't bend there so I didn't worry about it much.
One thing that I'm finding out is that it doesn't take much scraping to change the tiller when the limbs are that narrow.  Just got home from work and I'll post a new picture shortly.  There must be a real shortage of wood bows on TG lately for one of mine to generate this much interest.    :D
Thanks again for all the encouragement.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 22, 2014, 03:13:00 AM
Well, here she is after a little scraping on the top fade.  Better, I hope?  It did change the tiller a little bit from measuring to the string at brace height.  It's about dead even now.

(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/ostavebow7_zps863d6dcb.png)

I glued leather strips on at the narrow part of the handle.  Going to slip a leather rest in there and wrap it with another strip.

(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/ostavebow8_zps0cf83439.png)
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 22, 2014, 05:45:00 AM
Looks much better, Greg.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 22, 2014, 01:58:00 PM
Thanks Roy!
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 22, 2014, 05:02:00 PM
I said it looks much better,,, not ok.. LMAO..    :thumbsup:    :laughing:
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 23, 2014, 01:27:00 AM
Sheesh...   :smileystooges:
Just no pleasing some people    :)
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 25, 2014, 08:58:00 PM
I decided to call it done.  Wrapped the handle and finished it with coats of natural Danish Oil.  Osage is just flat out amazing bow wood and I love the way it looks, too.  I think the upper tip lost a bit more of its reflex than the lower.  I'll shoot it for a while and see if loses more.
I went with old school nocks without overlays.  All my board bows involve some type of glueing so this was a really nice change of pace.  I did have to glue leather strips to the handle before I wrapped it, but that was it.
Thanks again for the advice and encouragement along the way!

(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/ostavebow14_zps3522c72d.png)

(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/ostavebow12_zpsc6550b2d.png)

(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/ostavebow13_zps548001d3.png)

(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/ostavebow11_zpsfd7870d9.png)
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Dan Landis on July 25, 2014, 09:08:00 PM
Great looking bow, looks like the arrow is almost centered, bet it shoots great.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 26, 2014, 01:39:00 AM
Thanks Dan.  Not the fastest, but it does shoot nice.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Bakh on July 26, 2014, 07:33:00 AM
Very nice, great looking bow.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 26, 2014, 11:10:00 AM
Thanks Bakh!
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Sam Harper on July 26, 2014, 01:05:00 PM
That turned out beautifully!
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 26, 2014, 04:58:00 PM
Thanks again Sam!
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: George Tsoukalas on July 28, 2014, 09:34:00 AM
Looks great! Jawge
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on July 29, 2014, 03:44:00 PM
Thanks Jawge!  Big fan of your website.    :)
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: Mark Baker on August 05, 2014, 12:25:00 AM
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: fujimo on August 05, 2014, 01:13:00 AM
Very cool, and unique    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on August 05, 2014, 01:44:00 PM
Thanks again!
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: bigfoot1408 on August 10, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
you can not design a  selfbow. you can only take the piece of wood and try to follow what it wants.
the question is not how pretty are the curves, it is how pretty is the arc the arrow makes to the  heart of the target.
if you make a bow out of glass an plastic you can make all parts fit your pattern, not so a self bow.
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: red hill on August 10, 2014, 09:47:00 PM
Sweet bow, 'five!
Title: Re: Tillering this narrow osage bow...finished w/pics
Post by: takefive on August 12, 2014, 02:35:00 AM
Thanks red hill!  I'm starting to think that just about anything is possible with osage.