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Title: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on March 27, 2014, 04:48:00 PM
Got my 1st tri done.
Kinda proud of this one.
62" ...or at least that's how long the slats were...
48# @28"
Hickory, Black walnut, Osage limbs.
Osage, Ipe riser

I very well might do some more with the finish once it warms up...I was really battling dust..not happy about the runs.. ( who is?)

!!!!! A WHOLE LOTTA THANKS TO ROY , BEN and KENNY!!!!!

Anyway..here she is...

      (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/trilam%202/UnstrungL.jpg)

      (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/trilam%202/unstrungR.jpg)

      (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/trilam%202/BraceL.jpg)

      (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/trilam%202/BraceR.jpg)

      (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/trilam%202/BraceBack.jpg)

   (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/trilam%202/BraceBelly.jpg)
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on March 27, 2014, 04:50:00 PM
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/trilam%202/bottomtip.jpg)

  (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/trilam%202/Uppertip.jpg)

  (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/trilam%202/Tipside.jpg)

(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/trilam%202/Backriser.jpg)

  (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/trilam%202/Shelf.jpg)

  (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/trilam%202/Bellyriser.jpg)
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on March 27, 2014, 04:52:00 PM
Almost full draw....
Fighting getting the timer on the camera to go when I was at FD without holding forever...still kinda babying this one...lol

 (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/trilam%202/FullDraw.jpg)
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 27, 2014, 05:09:00 PM
John, that looks very nice.. Congrats Mr. Bowyer...
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on March 27, 2014, 05:17:00 PM
Thank you Roy Master Bowyer..

Amongst all the other help you gave me on this one...your idea of faceting..then rounding the belly made it happen. I have no idea how else I coulda brought it down from from an estimated 75#'r..lol
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on March 27, 2014, 05:20:00 PM
...oh yeah...that was the new to me staining technique I was talking about...
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: BenBow on March 27, 2014, 05:21:00 PM
Nice
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: soy on March 27, 2014, 05:28:00 PM
congratulations   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Crittergetter on March 27, 2014, 06:04:00 PM
Looks good!  I give it   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    !!!
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 27, 2014, 06:10:00 PM
I thought the stain sucked... LOL     :laughing:
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: jsweka on March 27, 2014, 06:35:00 PM
Well done!

(And I like the stain)
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Echatham on March 27, 2014, 07:13:00 PM
I like the stain alot.  Howd ya do it?
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on March 27, 2014, 07:14:00 PM
Thanks guys..

Roy...at least you're honest...lol
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on March 27, 2014, 07:36:00 PM
Eric...

Made some golden-orange stain and some dark brown stain from dye and methanol.

Stained the whole bow the golden-orange color.

For the wider stripes of brown I used a strip of t-shirt material about 1/4" wide. Dipped it in the stain, blotted it off on paper towels, pulled the strip tight and did about four stripes..dip, blot and repeat.  Took a little trial and error to figure out how much stain was needed to color it but not run too far.

The smaller lines were done the same way but with a piece of thread.

Took a while...lol
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Echatham on March 27, 2014, 08:03:00 PM
very cool.  now where'd ya get methanol?  the dye i have says to use it but i haven't seen it anywhere so i just use denatured alcohol.
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on March 27, 2014, 08:18:00 PM
that'll work too.

often you can buy methanol at a decent hardware store.
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: BCWV on March 27, 2014, 08:41:00 PM
Nice one John! I really like that stain pattern. I attempted something like that on a BBO but ended up taking it all off, mine looked like crap. You nailed it   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: bamboo on March 27, 2014, 09:36:00 PM
nice job!!
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: bigbob2 on March 27, 2014, 10:22:00 PM
Looks like a lot of work but the result certainly justifies it all.Great!
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: D on March 27, 2014, 10:34:00 PM
That looks great John.  I like the stain too.  Very good looking bow.  The tips are my favorite thing about it.
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 27, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
All that to stain a stupid bow?  :)  LOL
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: takefive on March 28, 2014, 02:38:00 AM
Fine looking bow, John.  Really like the strung profile and the stain pattern on the back.  Don't listen to Roy, he's prob'ly just jealous.   ;)
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Black Mockingbird on March 28, 2014, 06:36:00 AM
Upper limb is stiffer and has a subtle flat spot mid limb
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on March 28, 2014, 09:05:00 AM
It sure does look that way Blackmockingbird.

It followed the line on the tree.
I was lucky to be able to get it anywhere near a usable draw weight.
Got to the point of.."if I can get this thing to follow the line and not have any bad hinges I'll have to call it good"

From what I hear...if that line is followed, the limbs don't have to have the same bend..just no hinges...

Seems to shoot fine..maybe next time I'll do better.
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on March 28, 2014, 09:15:00 AM
Thanks for the comments guys.
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: fujimo on March 28, 2014, 09:27:00 AM
very cool, that dye job looks so much like a curly wood pattern. very good job all  round.   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    
this 'following the line' technique sure has upped the game in bow making- i am scared to make another wood bow now   :D
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 28, 2014, 10:03:00 AM
It is fine, John.
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on March 28, 2014, 11:09:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by BCWV:
Nice one John! I really like that stain pattern. I attempted something like that on a BBO but ended up taking it all off, mine looked like crap. You nailed it    :thumbsup:  
bamboo is a whole lot harder to stain than the hickory.
...the osage is reluctant enough as it is...
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 28, 2014, 11:33:00 AM
Use an alcohol base aniline dye stain and you will notice a big difference.

http://woodworker.com/alcohol-soluble-brt-yellow-golden-oak-aniline-dye-mssu-845-541.asp?search=aniline  dye&searchmode=2
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on March 28, 2014, 12:00:00 PM
definitely!
I tried oil based on some boo..lol..basically nothing..
...doesn't do that much to osage either.

I found if you acetone the osage a few times in succession and quickly apply oil stain you can get more color.

I don't like pulling the oils out more than needed though...so it's alcohol stain for me.
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 28, 2014, 01:52:00 PM
Alcohol stain is sweet, it dries in seconds and can be touched up very easily. Blends in nicely. If you want a darker finish, just keep going over it. If you get it too dark, 0000 steel wool takes it right off.
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: LittleBen on April 03, 2014, 10:15:00 AM
That came out really nice. I especially liek the material usaed for the tips.

How does she shoot? You going to kill something with that?
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on April 03, 2014, 10:55:00 AM
It shot really well...fast too.
I planned on killing something with it.
..but the hickory let go. I had a bit too much of a hinge in the upper limb a few inches from the fades.

I'm planning another of very similar design...maybe just a couple inches longer.

That bow looked soooo stressed to me.
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: fujimo on April 03, 2014, 11:30:00 AM
you know- just a teeny weeny bit of glass on the belly and back will solve all your problems     :D        :D    

jus a kiddin Roy!
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on April 03, 2014, 12:36:00 PM
oh yeah...the thought did cross my mind..lol

I was thinking a THIN fiberglass back, whatever core, and osage belly could be interesting...someday..maybe..
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: LittleBen on April 03, 2014, 12:37:00 PM
John,

I actually had some problems with white oak backing on a similar design.

Thats one of the reasons I've been moving towards the R/D profile. It helps to reduce surface tension on the backing and surface compression on the backing. Should make the bow a bit safer at a given width, length, and draw weight.

I'll get the pics up soon of one like yours I just finished, I went 60" long and 1.75" wide for a draw of only 25" and 45#.

I figure the few FPS I'd lose going wider is well worth the gain in safety. Since a wider bow takes less set, it's probably almost a wash in terms of speed.
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: LittleBen on April 03, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Zradix:
oh yeah...the thought did cross my mind..lol

I was thinking a THIN fiberglass back, whatever core, and osage belly could be interesting...someday..maybe..
John  did the bow explode or just lift a splinter?

if it just lifted a splinter you might be able to save it with a bit of flax fiber on the back.
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on April 03, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
cracked across grain from almost the edge to 1/3 the limb width.

Thought it was shallow.
Opened it up a bit with a stringer.
Filled/pressed in super glue.
Relaxed the bow..lots of glue oozed out..so I figured I got it pretty good.

about 12 hrs later I gently started pulling it back a little and relaxing..little more ..relaxing..etc.

got about 1/2 draw and kapow..3-4" each way and down into the core..

..she's pretty much toast.

Good idea though Ben..Thank you.
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: fujimo on April 03, 2014, 02:01:00 PM
man!! you are one resilient SOG!!
ya just dont quit- do you...
good on ya!!!  :)    :)
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on April 03, 2014, 02:12:00 PM
won't quit till my wallet or hands give out..right now my hands are    :deadhorse:  outta my wallet..
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 03, 2014, 02:49:00 PM
My fingers are getting blisters from answering Zradix's PM's the past 4 months..   :)   LMAO
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on April 03, 2014, 02:56:00 PM
I'll send ya some band-aids if it'll help keep ya goin Roy..   :notworthy:
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Bowjunkie on April 03, 2014, 02:59:00 PM
Good! You been buggin me for YEARS. What goes around comes around.   :clapper:  

xoxo
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 03, 2014, 04:14:00 PM
LOL

Hey John, if you want expert answers, PM ole Bowjunkie.. He taught me.. Sick em son  :)
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Zradix on April 03, 2014, 04:16:00 PM
:bigsmyl:
Title: Re: 1st Tri Complete...Pretty Happy!
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 03, 2014, 04:24:00 PM
Ya want his email and cell # too?  :)  LMAO