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Title: sleds?
Post by: rockkiller on March 21, 2014, 07:30:00 AM
How wide do you guys make your sleds?Do you make them wide enough to do two lams at once,so maybe they come out the same or just wide enough to do one lam?   :dunno:  
Thanks for any help
Al
Title: Re: sleds?
Post by: Bowjunkie on March 21, 2014, 08:19:00 AM
Mine is 4" wide. All half length lams should be ground in exact pairs.
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Post by: fujimo on March 21, 2014, 09:21:00 AM
x2   :)
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Post by: LittleBen on March 21, 2014, 12:00:00 PM
Mine is 2" wide, and it sucks for exactly that reason ... doing them in pairs is the logical choice.
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Post by: kennym on March 21, 2014, 12:50:00 PM
I like one at 2" to saw the tapers to a taper, then a 4.25" to do 2 at a time(if you ever do 2" wide lams)
Title: Re: sleds?
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 21, 2014, 12:56:00 PM
I make two at a time but not together..  :)  I run one through then run the second one through. Then adjust the sander and run one through then run the second one through. Then keep doing that till I get the taper I want. Takes about 4 passes and they are done and come out +- .00005 of each other.. How's that .00005 sound, Sister McKenzie?  :)
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Post by: Beanbag on March 21, 2014, 01:31:00 PM
Heck,you must have some pretty good measuring equipment Dang!!
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Post by: kennym on March 21, 2014, 01:41:00 PM
Purty close reverend!  :goldtooth:
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Post by: Roy from Pa on March 21, 2014, 02:13:00 PM
:wavey:    :laughing:
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Post by: D on March 21, 2014, 10:12:00 PM
And all the people said....Amen..
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Post by: JamesV on March 21, 2014, 10:20:00 PM
I cut my lams 8" longer than the bow and use a planer to cut the tapers from each end. The paralelles are also cut full length. Afterwards I cut the lams to length and ready to glue up. My sled it 4" wide and 42" long, but I never cut two lams at once only one long one.
Title: Re: sleds?
Post by: Walt Francis on March 21, 2014, 11:59:00 PM
The sleds I use most often are 40" x 4" and most the time I run the lam's in pairs. My favorite sleds are both 72", one is parallel and the other has a .001 taper from the center to both ends.  They do away with the need to run two lam's at a time.  Finding good stock does get expensive for a part-time bow builder.
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Post by: Buemaker on March 22, 2014, 06:10:00 AM
Roy, are you sure it is not .0005 you mean and not .00005, but if it is, measuring in hundredthousands of an inch is pretty serious. Bue--.   :)
Title: Re: sleds?
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 22, 2014, 07:09:00 AM
I messed up Bue Boy, that was to read .0000005    :)  

That darn Kenny M did this to me..  :)
Title: Re: sleds?
Post by: rockkiller on March 22, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
I have another question.Do you have to make one for every thickness with the same taper ,say one with a .001 taper and a butt thickness of .070 and another one with a .001 taper and a butt thickness of .130 or do you just use one with the same taper and keep checking the thickness as you grind them?
   I hope that makes sense.  :knothead:  
     
    Thanks again.  
     Al
Title: Re: sleds?
Post by: kennym on March 22, 2014, 06:03:00 PM
Same sled, you will wanna keep track of actual thickness as you go...

I cut lam blanks about .040 over desired thickness, so I can get rid of all sanding marks by the time I get to desired thickness....
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Post by: critman on March 23, 2014, 09:00:00 AM
All these decimals points makes me want to add something stronger than creamer to my coffee.  What was that magic potion you told me about Roy? Coffee and what?  :saywhat:
Title: Re: sleds?
Post by: Mad Max on March 23, 2014, 12:51:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Roy from Pa:
I make two at a time but not together..   :)   I run one through then run the second one through. Then adjust the sander and run one through then run the second one through. Then keep doing that till I get the taper I want. Takes about 4 passes and they are done and come out +- .00005 of each other.. How's that .00005 sound, Sister McKenzie?   :)  
Roy is messing with you
.0005   is 5 10,000 th of a inch or 1/2 thousand
.00005  is 5 100,000 th of a inch
and that last on he said is
.000005 is 1,000,000 ( million th of a inch)  :scared:  

Roy    :knothead:       :bigsmyl:    :bigsmyl:    
I did tool and die and machine work for 25 years.
  :goldtooth:
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Post by: Mad Max on March 23, 2014, 12:54:00 PM
one hair out of your head is .003 + or - 1 inch   :biglaugh:
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Post by: Roy from Pa on March 23, 2014, 04:11:00 PM
Coffee and JD critman..   :)  

Dear Mr. Daniel, I make my bows to very strict tolerances..   :)  

I just need to learn more about Z-splices. The cuts looks good but the limbs don't line up straight...

 (http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/ROY-CHRIS/WP_000058.jpg) (http://s47.photobucket.com/user/ROY-CHRIS/media/WP_000058.jpg.html)
Title: Re: sleds?
Post by: Mad Max on March 23, 2014, 04:39:00 PM
I think it will work   :)
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Post by: Troy D. Breeding on March 23, 2014, 06:44:00 PM
Minus T (aka Roy),

Depending on how you cut in the string groves on that puppy, your either gonna have some serious relex or deflex.   :biglaugh:
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Post by: wood carver 2 on March 23, 2014, 07:01:00 PM
The problem might be caused by too much bow building fluid.    ;)  
Dave.
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Post by: Buemaker on March 24, 2014, 09:54:00 AM
Looks good to me.   :eek:   Bue--.
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Post by: Beanbag on March 24, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
Geez, You guys seem to be always splitting hairs,he just needs a hair more bow juice to get that shoot able.
Title: Re: sleds?
Post by: Mad Max on March 24, 2014, 04:37:00 PM
JUST SAYING
If your lam (stack thickness) is off .001 or .002
How accurate is the width (profile) of the limb
You will never know that it is off .001 or .002

Right    :dunno:
Title: Re: sleds?
Post by: kennym on March 24, 2014, 08:21:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Mark Daniel:
JUST SAYING
If your lam (stack thickness) is off .001 or .002
How accurate is the width (profile) of the limb
You will never know that it is off .001 or .002

Right     :dunno:  
I'm sayin on longbows, if you have .005 over target thickness, you're good to great! You can lose that extra real easy but cant add any without piking.

Recurves, you may need to be a bit more careful!   :)
Title: Re: sleds?
Post by: Mad Max on March 24, 2014, 10:23:00 PM
cool
Title: Re: sleds?
Post by: canopyboy on March 25, 2014, 09:28:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Beanbag:
Geez, You guys seem to be always splitting hairs,he just needs a hair more bow juice to get that shoot able.
With that fancy water he drinks, it may take more than a hair...