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Title: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: Ookami on March 19, 2014, 02:01:00 PM
Hi guys! been a while since I've posted here, Thanks to you guy's help I've successfully managed to make a proper board bow!, Now I want to kick things up a bit with an Osage modern flat bow, I've been looking around online for a stave, I've narrowed it down to two that at least to me seem pretty good, but can't decide between the two , and I also want to make sure that they are in fact decent staves, If you guys could take a look at them and advise me I'd much appreciated it!

links to them are posted Below

  Stave 1 (http://tinyurl.com/lk7yer2)

  Stave 2 (http://tinyurl.com/oe8cljq)
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: Echatham on March 19, 2014, 02:44:00 PM
they look ok except the early to late wood ratio isn't so great.  see the dark and light rings in the heartwood?  what you really want is alot of dark wood to not alot of light wood.  they also look pretty fresh cut so you would have some time on your hands waiting for them to dry.  try to find you one like this.  it has a good ratio and the the rings are nice and fat... easy to chase.
 (http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/KsDanny/donated%20stave%20for%20Euromeet/IMG_4991.jpg) (http://s249.photobucket.com/user/KsDanny/media/donated%20stave%20for%20Euromeet/IMG_4991.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: J.F. Miller on March 19, 2014, 02:59:00 PM
I would not pay money for either of those staves. I love it that the seller has described both of them as having "medium rings". uuummm, no those growth rings are extra, extra thin.
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: Ookami on March 19, 2014, 05:35:00 PM
Thanks for the advice,  I shall continue the hunt! I was thinking that staying with in a single growth ring would be a bit difficult on those staves
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: Ookami on March 20, 2014, 01:10:00 AM
Stave 3 (http://tinyurl.com/ktjcbkd)  

What do you guys think of this one? Growth Rings are much wider, however those knots have me concerned, Should they pose a problem?
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: LittleBen on March 20, 2014, 08:10:00 AM
Rings on that one are much better. It's definately a little snakey, but as long as you follow the grain on the sides and let the bow follow that snakey shape, you'll be fine. I think ....
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: Eric Krewson on March 20, 2014, 08:25:00 AM
I would go with stave #3, a little heat gun work will be necessary but with the better rings and and longer length you will have a much easier time making a bow.
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: Echatham on March 20, 2014, 08:50:00 AM
them knots are nothing to worry about.  ive never had a stave with less character than that  :)
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: Eric Krewson on March 20, 2014, 09:26:00 AM
If you get stave #3, you better get that sapwood off as soon as the stave arrives and reseal the back. Where I live there is not enough sealer in the world to prevent a fresh cut stave with bark removed and sapwood left on from checking deeply down the back.
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 20, 2014, 09:48:00 AM
# 3 is real nice, I just might bid on it.. So you better hurry.. LOL
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: Ookami on March 20, 2014, 11:50:00 AM
#3 it is!  Thanks guys,  and about how long would I have to wait before the moisture level is low enough for it to be usable? (after I rough it out) doesn't say how long it's been cut so I'm a bit in the dark about that
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 20, 2014, 12:04:00 PM
Not knowing when it was cut or how it was stored makes that a tuff question. You need to purchase a moisture meter first of all. But for a guess here I would say 2 - 3 months after getting it close to bow shape and keeping it stored in a warm dry place for those 2 - 3 months.
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: Ookami on March 20, 2014, 12:09:00 PM
Actually scratch that,  it does say it, about a month ago, dunno how I didn't see that
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: Echatham on March 20, 2014, 01:19:00 PM
Moisture meter is well worth the money.  I would hate to be without it
Title: Re: Help a Newbie Pick His First Stave?
Post by: John Scifres on March 20, 2014, 01:47:00 PM
You can work a stave a little right after shaping it.  I'd bend it and see how it responds.  If it feels sluggish and doesn't return to shape right away, leave it rest another month.  Indoors, ina heated house in the winter, it should dry some after that.  Keep at it until it is springy and feels alive and then make your bow.