Trad Gang

Main Boards => The Bowyer's Bench => Topic started by: KenH on March 17, 2014, 08:39:00 AM

Title: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: KenH on March 17, 2014, 08:39:00 AM
Until now the wood-glass bows I've made have had black glass on both back and belly.  But I recently got some gorgeous laminations from Troy Breeding, here, and want to show off the beautiful grain.

So. What tips or techniques do you have for handling clear glass.  Anything special or different about clear glass that I need to know?  Keep in mind I use a rubberband form, not a pressure hose setup, and no heatbox (this IS Florida!).
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on March 17, 2014, 09:05:00 AM
The biggest tip I can offer is to make sure you apply the epoxy to the sanded side. There has been a thread or two lately where the maker failed to do this and had problems.
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: carpin'mark on March 17, 2014, 09:27:00 AM
For me, I just tend to use slightly more EA-40 on the glass itself so any entrapped air can squeeze out. I actually find it a little more forgiving, black glass is like a black car, great when its perfect but a slight glass fiber tear or pull when your cutting/sanding can really show up.
Occasionally you will get clear that has some nasty fiber streaks in it, usually not that visible with lighter woods but I had one that I laid up over some really nice Walnut burl veneer - man, I thought I was gonna cry. Wiping them down well with solvent or DA will help you see any major defects better.
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: BenBow on March 17, 2014, 09:43:00 AM
carpin'mark X2 Since I made sure the veneer and the clear glass have more than enough glue I haven't had a problem with light spots under the clear glass. I've been adding more glue than before to all lams so I get complete adhesion.
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on March 17, 2014, 10:16:00 AM
Agree totally with the use of more glue.

For me glue is cheap in comparison to the cost of having voids or dry spots that could result in failure.
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: bornofmud on March 17, 2014, 11:56:00 AM
I've also found it helps to warm the epoxy. I set the cans in front of my heater for a few hours before.
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: Trux Turning on March 17, 2014, 12:26:00 PM
Warm glue, use plenty on both glueing surfaces and air up pressure hose slowly- 20lbs for a few minutes, 30/40 lbs for a few minutes etc.
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: T Folts on March 17, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
I put the A side in the micro after I weight it up for 8-10 seconds, the be B side is already thin compared to the A. I also over do the glue as I have had spots in the clear glass. Also make sure everything is super clean, small specs and splinters will show up.
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: kennym on March 17, 2014, 08:51:00 PM
With the rubber band setup, use a strip of something about a quarter inch thick down the limb center(1/2"wide) because the bands pull real hard on edges, but make the glass cup up in center of limb, unlike the hose that puts more pressure in center.

Still use a metal pressure strip , but add something to press a bit more in center of limb.

Somebody used romex wiring, sounded like it worked great!!

Put extra bands and pressure on your riser ramps, the most likely spot to not get enough push...
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: kennym on March 17, 2014, 08:51:00 PM
Oh, and use an air hose form..  :laughing:
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: KenH on March 17, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
Thanks a bunch Kenny!  Where the heck were you last week when I got cup in the end of the left recurve tipof this Scythian I'm building!!  Sheesh!  It'll work out OK though.  The epoxy-filled cup will become the pin nock.

I'll definitely remember the raised center tip!

    (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/kenhulme/SymScythianBelly1280x235_zpsc34a45d9.jpg)
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: talkingcabbage on March 18, 2014, 11:40:00 PM
I've also heard of guys using an old V-belt for the center strip.

Or just use an air hose form.    :knothead:
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: fujimo on March 19, 2014, 12:23:00 AM
so kenny do you think an air hose  would work with a shape as complex as the bow above?
thanks
wayne
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: fujimo on March 19, 2014, 12:25:00 AM
so now that you have all that free time Kenny, how is that recurve coming along?   :D
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: kennym on March 19, 2014, 09:37:00 PM
I don't think the hose might work very well on that snakey of a bow...

The recurve project is still just one bow hanging in shop.  ;)
Title: Re: Clear Glass Tips & Techniques???
Post by: critman on March 19, 2014, 10:03:00 PM
X2 on the warm glue. Cold glue is tough to mix and tough to spread. Put mine in front of the heater for a short while also. Works wonders, and Lord knows I am no wonder maker!  :knothead: