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Title: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: JacobkurtD on March 01, 2014, 04:15:00 PM
Hey Ho!!

Guess what? It didn't  break!!!
Considering i made the dimensions and design just from a couple of pics, i think it turned out quite alright for the first...


     http://www.flickr.com/photos/photosarestories/sets/72157641714097145/      


I guess i could have picked an easier design for my first bow, but hey.... i learnt a heck of a lot and now know what to tweak for the next one..

Haven't got a draw weight or arrow speed yet... have to go down to the local bow shop on monday...
but it feels a little lighter than i wanted.. but maybe thats just cause I've never actually shot a static tipp horse bow with those huge "leavers" before....

NTN is 58"
Core is osage and boo
stabil kore
veneer = curly eucalyptus
bearpaw glaw

Ebony riser
Padauk siyhas


There is a bit of hand shock and i don't know why exactly???
I thought it was generally said that horse bows have almost no handshock??


What do you lot think about the tiller?? To me it still looks off......?

Jacob   :goldtooth:
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: T Callahan on March 01, 2014, 04:24:00 PM
I haven't seen that one before. Very nice!
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: red hill on March 01, 2014, 04:27:00 PM
Well done, Jacob! That's a sweet lookin' bow!   :clapper:
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: bornofmud on March 01, 2014, 04:52:00 PM
Tiller looks pretty perfect to me!  And I'd imagine that you have handshock because of the siyahs.  Lot of weight moving far from the center of the bow.  Very very cool and amazing for a first.  Well done!!
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: Crittergetter on March 01, 2014, 07:56:00 PM
Pretty cool lookin!! It always amazes me to see the diversity of bows from place to place. Good job!
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: fujimo on March 01, 2014, 10:28:00 PM
wow that is cool-
i have a grozer hunnish bow- and it too is just a bit "shockey"- guess it has real low in the hand mass.
and as bornofmud says too
but yours is sure a looker, what glass did you use?
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: JacobkurtD on March 02, 2014, 03:27:00 AM
Thanks guys!

Fujimo: it is bear paw glass, the finish isn't very nice when you have the bow in front of you... but i guess i could sand it buy hand to make it a little nicer....

Is the Hunnish bow the A-symetrik one?
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: carpin'mark on March 02, 2014, 07:14:00 AM
That is one gorgeous bow, the details are beautiful.
I am always amazed at you guys that build that style.   :notworthy:
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: fujimo on March 02, 2014, 11:57:00 AM
yup it is the asymmetric one.

as i said before- that bow and i have had a love hate relationship, but you have inspired me to start thinking about building one !!
thank you too you, scars and kenH
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: halfseminole on March 02, 2014, 12:22:00 PM
Is your Grozer a biocomposite?  That's the exact bow I've been looking at for myself.  Any comments on quality?
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: fujimo on March 02, 2014, 02:58:00 PM
Ok here goes bud!

(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/email6_zps02b394e7.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/email6_zps02b394e7.jpg.html)


 (http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/email7_zpsc3c26f9b.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/email7_zpsc3c26f9b.jpg.html)


 (http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/email1_zps1dd8be57.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/email1_zps1dd8be57.jpg.html)

Top limb
 (http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/email2_zpsb0af02c4.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/email2_zpsb0af02c4.jpg.html)


 (http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/email3_zps99817961.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/email3_zps99817961.jpg.html)

bottom limb
 (http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/email4_zpsc845444b.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/email4_zpsc845444b.jpg.html)


 (http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/email5_zps730deb22.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/email5_zps730deb22.jpg.html)
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: fujimo on March 02, 2014, 03:25:00 PM
Ed, not sure what the bio composit is, but it is constructed from lams-as any other glass bows, but has different material back and belly- back might be glass cant say for sure- belly is some kinda dark red/bakalite looking compound, with a kinda mottled look to it. looking closely at it now- it could be a weird veneer under glass
and mine has had the belly trapped

it might just be the finish on the clear back glass that is a bit wrinkled- giving the impression of something else- can certinally see that it bends most coming outta the fades.

limbs are 1 5/8" wide
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: fujimo on March 02, 2014, 03:34:00 PM
the assymetric sure screws with a guys brain

 (http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/email8_zps4671d6bd.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/email8_zps4671d6bd.jpg.html)

think i might blame some of my early tillering jobs on "assymetric design"   :D  

so if i was to build a symmetric design bow- wonder which limb would be the better candidate- top limb looks a lot less stressed- curve seems a bit better- lever looks extremely long though- maybe its just cos the bottom one is so short by comparison
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: fujimo on March 02, 2014, 03:36:00 PM
can certinally see why a thumb ring would be better- but man it still shoots fast and accurate
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: fujimo on March 02, 2014, 04:11:00 PM
guess that great big heavy top lever- is why mine is a bit "shockey"
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: halfseminole on March 02, 2014, 06:12:00 PM
Yours is a biocomposite.  It's essentially a modern-day horn bow with new glues and pressed sinew/horn.  How does it shoot?  I'm planning to get the same model soon, if I can, and I'd love to know if it has bad manners.
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: fujimo on March 02, 2014, 06:50:00 PM
I love the bow, as I say a love, hate relationship .
Love to shoot and hunt with it, hate it because somebody else made it.
I have considered selling it so many times!!!!

Please could you explain the pressed sinew, and horn, sounds interesting !!!
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: fujimo on March 02, 2014, 06:55:00 PM
Absolutely beautiful craftsmanship, the horn overlays and transitions are amazing. Very pretty bow to my one eye!   :D  
As I said a little hand shock, when compared to other dead in the hand bows, but not enough to prevent me from shooting it for hours on end!!
Shoots fast, and higher than my other bows, higher arrow speed, but once I get dialed in it is a very sweet shooter, need to do it justice by shooting with a thumb ring!
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: halfseminole on March 02, 2014, 06:58:00 PM
http://www.grozerarchery.com/index_b.htm

If my disability hearing goes well next week, I am either going for that or a real hornbow from them.  My hands are so torn up I'm choosing to shoot rather than build.
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: fujimo on March 04, 2014, 03:35:00 PM
yup read that, that info is new to the site, but i bought this bow about 7 or 8 years ago- and i havent shot nearly as much as i shoot my own bows.

were they doing the biocomposit then??
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: halfseminole on March 04, 2014, 04:51:00 PM
Not sure.  A clear pic of back and belly would tell me for sure.  Might want to give OP back his thread and take it to another, though.
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: fujimo on March 04, 2014, 04:53:00 PM
good point!  :)
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: Buemaker on March 04, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
Jacob, nice work, are the wrappings just for decoration? Bue--.
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: JacobkurtD on March 04, 2014, 06:41:00 PM
Thanks Buemaker, and yes the wrapping isn't doing anything structurally...
the bow just looked a little naked to me without it...
:D
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: JacobkurtD on March 04, 2014, 06:46:00 PM
I took the bow to the local archery shop today....

Its only 32lbs! which is a little annoying, but hey....   ....next one i guess...

At 32lbs it shoots a 460 grain arrow 155-160 FPS.
quite good for how nice and easy it is to draw!!
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: fujimo on March 04, 2014, 09:42:00 PM
sounds awesome
awesome speed!!
thats as good as a lot of #50 bows!!
thats a 14 gpp arrow!!
imagine what a 9 or 10 gpp arrow would do!!
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: scars on March 04, 2014, 10:25:00 PM
Jacob
She looks awesome. Congrats to you. A bow at 32# and a speed of 155 + bet the draw curve looks sweet. At 32#s do you feel a let off at around 26"? The last horn bow I made was 31# 49" N2N. It is the first bow that felt like it had a let off between 27"-30" At 33" it felt good.
Title: Re: First laminated bow finished!! (Indo-persian Horsebow)
Post by: JacobkurtD on March 06, 2014, 04:22:00 PM
Thanks scars!

she is definitely very smooth to pull back!!!! i guess i could say a little let off... its a dream to pull next to my 50# Samick squall!!! that thing stacks like a ............. !

I hope my horn bow works out!!