hello boys and girls! working on my first tri-lam. bamboo back, elm core, osage belly, blistered maple handle. got the dimensions from Roy before glue up. just got the handle glued up and cleaned up a bit, and im working on taking the rind off the boo. which leads me to my first question of the build: is this an acceptable degree of rind removal? (nevermind the nodes.. haven't touched them yet, and im just going to smooth off the sharp edge.) im a little paranoid about the bamboo after what happened with my first bamboo backed bow, so im going a little easier on the rind this time. still not convinced that was the problem... but still..
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the picture is kinda deceiving, in real life there is more power fiber showing than rind remnants, and its real smooth, been using very light scraping with cabinet scraper. the rind is just left in the little natural grooves and valleys on the boo. does it hurt to leave a little on?
anyway... here is the profile
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You can even leave all the rind on but will not take stain that way.
Yours will look good but varried in color.
Those nodes need to be smoothed over some.
Just enough to not have any rough edges.
Thanks macbow, thats what i figured.
The boo looks perfect, Eric. But just remove the edge on top of the nodes. Just lightly sand it now with 320 and only length wise along the limbs. Don't even be concerned about the little bit of rind in those longitudinal depressions. After you stain the boo, those long depressions will give the boo character... An area to pay attention to is on each side of the nodes, above and below it. There will be scratches there, I guarantee it. Just use your thumb or finger and sand those areas carefully. What I do is apply a light coat of stain to the bow, when you do that, all the little tiny nicks and scratches will pop, right out at you. I then just sand those scratches out and stain again. I use an alcohol based aniline die, and touch up after sanding out scratches is a piece of cake, it just blends in so nice.. Reason being alcohol based stain evaporates very quickly, like in 20 seconds. A water based stain takes a lot longer and the water raises the grain on the wood, alcohol based stain does not raise the grain of the wood.
That will be $19.95 for advice:) LOL
thanks Roy. gotta get some of that dye. where do you get yours?
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hows that? still gotta hit it with sandpaper on the nodes, and im gonna use your idea about the finish to show the scratches
love the figure in this maple
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Here ya go, Dude. There is a color chart on the page too.
http://woodworker.com/alcohol-soluble-brt-yellow-golden-oak-aniline-dye-mssu-845-541.asp?search=aniline dye&searchmode=2
haha what am i up to now roy?! $60 bucks and an a$$ whoopin?
Looks good so far! I was hoping your next bow would be an Osage molly though...
TimBoA i got a HHB molly in progress as well! stay tuned!
Looks good so far.
I guess it's Ok... :thumbsup:
We're gonna have to start calling you Roy Jr. if you keep nursing off of Roy's advice teet lol.
I'm only kidding. Looks good. I like that maple .... I'm a sucker for mapole figured or not.
Roy's whoopins only hurt for a little while..... :bigsmyl:
So my wife thinks im absolutely nuts for spending 60 bucks on dye..... But then.... She's been thinkin im absolutely nuts for some time now.
LOL, what did ya get?
light golden brown walnut, jacobean oak, deep red mahogany, and dark antique cherry.
Which medium?
Another nice thing about them is you can tweak them/mix them together to get the exact color you want.
Alcohol based.
Yeah i tried to get a good spectrum of lights and darks with that in mind. Talked myself out of a green.
well i learned a lesson but it may be salvageable. first time i strung it up, at a 4" brace, i realized that both limbs were twisting in opposite directions. upon closer inspection i realized that my laminations were slightly thicker on one edge than the other. about a 16th difference from one edge to the other with all lams combined. so to straighten them out i had to make my belly lam thinner on one side. turns out my electric hand plane that i used to taper the lams is not exactly square... tuning will be required. anyway, here is where i am at. currently pulling 40#@ 22", goal is 45@29. just about got everyting evened out and its about time to pick a top limb and adjust my cradle and pulling position accordingly.
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by the way its shown without a 5" brace, used a string from a slightly longer bow.
That don't look too shabby at 22...
I think the fades should be blended more, they look like sharp angles which could lead to issues at the fades.
sporthunter i am going to blend them in a little more, haven't fooled with the handle much. if you compare drawn vs unbraced its really not bending to much in the fades. here she is 45#@ 28". the beer is flowing so no more tonight. next stop is to clean up the handle and make a string. the left limb is perfect, the right needs a tad more attention, but its close.
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Doesn't look like you need much guidance. Coming along very nicely!
Eric, I concur with your assessment of the right limb, especially the outer limb. It looks too stiff for the last several inches.
I would take a few scrapes from the last few inches of the left limb too, but it doesn't need much.
I don't care, it ain't my bow...
LMAO....
Looks good dude and you are correct on what it needs.
That,s the Roy I know. Bows looking good.
i think this will do, its close anyway. 44@29 with a 4" brace. how much weight increase would you expect to see with a 6-7" brace? a pound or two?
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kinda surprised by how much reflex it lost.
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Looks like you took care of most of that hinge. Did lose quite a bit of reflex. But that'll happen.
I think you're right about the weight ... maybe a couple pounds .... you'll porobably end up where you are now with a higher brace because you'll get a slight bit more set from shooting in.
Looks better. I would have finished the handle and dips before reaching full draw and 'accepting' a final draw weight, but that don't matter much. Should be pulling it like you'll shoot it too :^) it may take a little more set when you shoot it in by hand since you'll be stressing It differently than you tillered it for. Looks good though.
Doesn't look too bad. What Bowjunkie is saying is, you are pulling it at the center of the handle but your going to be pulling it at the top of the handle " 2 inches higher ", when you shoot it. I thought I learned you that on a previous bow project?
Also would have had it to full brace before now.
Be interested in what weight gain you get.
He knows what I mean, Roy. I said it a bit rhetorically. We've been over this. Eric's a smart guy and will make a very good bowyer.... just watch :)
Jeff i didn't forget what ya learned me, and Roy, i didn't forget who learned it to me either lol! the right limb is going to be my top. im going to be gripping the bow pretty much on center, cause i kinda heel it. and i shoot 3 under so im pulling from not to far above center either. im going to string it up to full brace, and fine tune the right limb to sync the limbs, and remove the last remnants of the hinge at the same time, with just sandpaper probably. today i finished smoothing in the fades, and got the handle pretty close to finished. pics in a while.
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Not too shabby. Dips look awesome. I started making my handles more like this below. But that is up to you...
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thanks Roy. yeah i really dig the bulbous handle shape.
6 1/2" brace. 43.5#@29. limbs synced how i hold the bow and string, about 50 shots through it.
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it is somewhat able to pivot on that cradle, and it doesn't. the string that runs down the 2x4 is plumb, and serves as my guide to see if it pulls toward one limb or another, and it doesn't. not sure if im sold on this straight handle or not yet.... may go more in the direction of Roy's. and im not sure if i want to cover up this pretty maple with leather and a leather wedge rest or not. part of me wants to glue on a wood or antler rest. i just don't care for shooting off the knuckle, my form isn't consistent enough and a flubbed release can put a feather in my knuckle. been to the ER for that before :knothead:
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i really thought that with two glue joints holding it it would have retained more reflex than this. do ya think maybe i overdid the deflex? im ok with it, though, ought to be pretty forgiving, and it is pretty quiet before any tuning.
All along I was trying to figure what looked "different" about this design.
Your right it has some extra deflex.
Looking good.
I guess it's Ok.. :thumbsup:
The delfex doesn't look excessive, I'm leaning more towards ya didn't reflex it enough.
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guess not... geez and it felt like i was pushing it on the reflex. i suppose i could build another one! ;)
i suppose i could build another one!
Well don't let me twist your arm:)
Eric it almost looks like you know what the hell you're doing here ... LOL.
Good job. Came out nice.
By the way I shoot 45# @ 25" .... just so you know for this next swap ... or if you're just feeling generous.
25" draw? Geeze oh man shorty... LOL :laughing:
so ya think im ready to participate in the swap? i really want to.
i love this part... finishing that is. gonna get out the dye on a scrap pieces of osage and maple tonight... fool around a bit.
first coat of tru-oil is drying :bigsmyl:
Didn't happen without pictures:)
Looking good Eric. I think they finally let me back on here or I figured out how to operate a computer better.
I'm looking forward to seeing this sucker complete.
Hey Matt! Glad you could join us.
That deep red mahogony dye turned out to be a whole lot purpler than i anticipated.... Think it will grow on me though. Just used the bow as my test piece.
last (5th)coat of tru-oil is on. here's a sneak peak
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:bigsmyl:
OMG, that riser looks terrific dude..
yeah its ok i guess. :laughing:
Looking good and a wonderful finish. Just a question, I see that both you and Roy are making these bows without a Power Lam. Is there not a chance that the handle will pop off when the bow is bent? Even If the handle block is curved to fit the shape of the glued up laminates and it is nicely featherd. Bue--. :)
well... i worried about that, until i started tillering. it just isnt bending enough at the fades to do it i think, and the handle feathers in thin enough that it bends ever so slightly at the tips. should be fine i think.
Ya just gotta know what your doing, Bue... :bigsmyl:
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almost dry enough to add the handle wrap and rest.
I guess it's Ok:) You could have taken more rind off, but that looks cool.
im ok with it. i didn't mind experimenting on it cause it was flawed from the start, got a bow out of it though. i wonder if there will be long term issues because of the thickness variation of the lams.... goes something like this:
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Just shoot it...
I like it.
well... i just did... and it is sweet. i do believe it feels the best out of all of them.... but of course i always feel that way when i got a new bow. sorry no full draw pics tonight... cause its dark and my only available picture taker is only 5 years old. but here she is all finished up.
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thats all for now
Turned out really nice.
Sweet
Very nice Eric. :thumbsup:
Great job Eric
Eric, you have come a long way the past year. Ya done well pilgrim.. ^5
Really a shooter man, I like it a lot!
Well done, Eric. It looks good.
thanks guys, I'll try to get ya some full draw pics this afternoon.
By golly that's a pretty bow Eric.
Really beautiful.
:thumbsup: :notworthy:
You guys and your tri-lams have me thinking of making another bow after the season.
...it won't be a tri lam though...not ready for that..lol
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you know, i couldn't see it on the tillering tree, and maybe its a trick of the shadows, but i think there is still a trace of that hinge :( whatever... on to the next one lol! i need to finish my HHB molly, but theres some osage calling my name. :thumbsup:
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i don't know what in the hell photobucket think's its doin... but that ain't what i told it to do....
you might be right...not tooo bad though
Hope your boo holds up well.
My limited exp. (1 bow) has me shying away a bit..
I only lightly sanded JUST the skin and it still splintered..lol
Gonna try a hickory back I think.
i could have take more time. thats something i have to work on. i get rolling and i want to see the bow so bad i catch myself rushing. bad thing to do in this business. i swear this next one ... its gonna take me a while... but its gonna be perfect lol!
It's hard not to rush..not even once..during the build.
One of the most difficult aspects of the build for me.
Looks pretty good to me.
Nice looking bend!
QuoteOriginally posted by Zradix:
You guys and your tri-lams have me thinking of making another bow after the season.
...it won't be a tri lam though...not ready for that..lol
man you know what, that really wasn't much different than a regular backed bow, not hard. but i think i like making selfbows better.
Looks good Eric. That sure is a fancy handle!
That is gorgeous bow! I love the boo. The stain job looks great too
You guys and your tri-lams have me thinking of making another bow after the season.
...it won't be a tri lam though...not ready for that..lol
John, tri lams are a piece of cake, no different than a BBO bow, just an extra core lam is all. They actually work out easier and have sexier curves. Don't be scared ya sissy pants.. LOL
If I make a bow too sexy my Wife might get jealous..
...then again last time she was jealous it worked out pretty well for me...hhmmm
Looks great to me, Eric! :thumbsup:
Lol... I once built a very curvy, snakey, osage selfbow 'Grace', and I had just finished her and was sitting on the foot of the bed admiring her curves when the wife walked in as I was running my fingers down her upper limb. Yep, she seemed a little jealous or something..... hmmpff.... women.
I'm smarter than the average bear, I named my first bow, Christine. That's my wife's name.. :notworthy:
Man did that ever get Bowjunkie in hot water. His wife came in as Jeff was writing Christine on my bow and she said, You never named a bow after me... LMAO
And then there was the time Bowjunkies wife came out to the bow shop to give him a kiss cause she was going shopping. She kissed him and then said what are you eating that stinks. Jeff said, I'm chewing sinew.. LMAO
And don't let Jeff in the kitchen. He put a crock pot bowl on a gas stove to heat up the sausage and it exploded. LOL
:laughing:
:biglaugh:
Haha... yep... all true.
We've had some fun over the years, aye dude?
Yup and we hain't done yet:)
Good :thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
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