Trad Gang

title says it all     :biglaugh:      I have for years been trying to build a shootable bow...I read everything I can watch everything I can...after over 100 + failures of some type or another I finally gave up..I have used board bows, staves, glue ups (BBO style) I have spent tons of money for wood over the years and what I thought I knew wasn't good enough...now over 3 1/2 years ago I got hurt at a job and became disabled and I kinda put archery on the back burner for many reasons as I wasn't sure if I was gonna be able to walk ever again but with many surgeries and PT I was able to walk but still with a cane but it was a improvement then came the surgery for my shoulder and when that was fixed I got my knees done and I have a back surgery due but Im holding off from that..well during this time I started reading the Bowyers bench and it got my fires going again..in my wheelchair I would try to make a bow but something always happen to it due to my mistake or wood and I started getting depressed again until I met (D) David who gifted me some wood to try my hand again...well with his advice I started getting the idea and concept of making a bow..I semi was successful on the first one until it blew while tillering then the second was even better and while it didn't blow it had some issues but I will tackle that another day, he directed me to that old coot that everyone knows who likes to carry around a thumpin list..you guys know him as Roy    :biglaugh:      well with his advice and Davids advice along with some more wood from David as well as some glue I glued up my first R/D BBH today and Im hoping this is the one as I don't know if I can handle another failure and along with these guys help and as well as the many fine bowyers on this site who I admire for their willingness to help others and the many beautiful and awesome bows they make, perjaps this will be the bow I will be able to hunt with this year after 4 years of not being able to hunt due to my injurys...so here is the first installation of my adventures... (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/001_zps2d4cfe39.jpg.html%5D%20%20%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/001_zps2d4cfe39.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]  (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/002_zps1b1b6f61.jpg.html%5D%20%20%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/002_zps1b1b6f61.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]  (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/003_zps378a8e86.jpg.html%5D%20%20%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/003_zps378a8e86.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]
I made this jig with my string stretcher bar..I made end post 7" and mid post 3 3/4" and 4 3/4" for middle..I took the dimensions from Roy and Davids dimensions and came to a happy medium..from what you cant see is I secured it with a couple heavy duty zip ties and while it was supposed to go in the hot box I had forgotten to change the bulbs in there so I have it baking in the sun which is about 97 degrees right now and gonna leave it until sometime tomorrow afternoon before I unclamp it and see if everything stayed together before I sand to the lines on the blank...it is 65 1/2" tip to tip and I went down 3/4" from where I will make my nock so it will be a little more than 63" and Im shooting for mid 50s at my 26" draw so guys please wish me luck as Im putting everything I have in this bow....thanks for looking

ps. I got it glued up with smooth on and wrap in plastic and wrapped with bike tires and clamped down with everything I had...I had to work fast under my work area/bowmaking shed

pss.  I have a 20" power lam in there as well due to my buddy Davids generosity

Good Luck to you Razor! I am sure with those to guys along with many others who will chime in you will have a bow. Go slow, trust your gizmo if you have one for tillering, take many pictures, and post often. Hell ya can't post more in a thread than Zradix LOL, jk Zradix. But most of all have fun... I am up to 12 broken selfbows and not a solid shooter yet. Roy helped me with my first BBO and I always turn to that retired ol man for any help.

Looks pretty darn good there, Art. Let her dry for 24 hours. If you can, when it starts to get dark and cooler outside, take it inside where it will be at least 70 degrees. Hickory loves to absorb moisture so leaving it outside all night wouldn't be a good idea.

Roy...I was thinking of leaving in the shed since it would still be hot overnight..would that be ok? Or should I bring into the house where the AC is on and its about 70 or so degrees..I was gonna bring it out side and let bake in the sun some more and not touch until late sat. evening..well least unclamp it from jig and not mess with it until sunday sometime....thanks Justin...to bad we didn't live closer that way we can get some bows built or broke LOL

I have a gizmo and Im not sure it would work for a R/D bow if Im correct..I was hoping to use you guys knowledge on this one thru pics

Looking forward to this one.
Go,slow and wait out the answers from the Gang.
Sometime the answers may contradict themselves but it always gets worked out.
Good building.

yep Im gonna go slow as I do not want another disaster..alot of you guys are awesome at this craft..Im gonna take everything in

Yes Art the shed should be ok if you can close the doors, it just wouldn't be wise to let it sit outside where the dew will settle on it, you know how wet the grass is in the mornings! Leave it clamped for 24 hours. When you take the clamps off, then you can glue on the riser after you get it cut out to the curved shape of the riser section of the bow. I use the gizmo on my r/d bows. You just need to remember that the outer 1/3 of the limbs are going to be a little flatter because of the reflex. I don't know if you flipped the tips, don't think you did, but the bow below in the picture did have the tips flipped, notice how the end of the limbs don't bend like the center of the limbs? If this bow did not have the tips flipped and did not have reflex induced at glue up, the entire limbs would resemble a 1/4 moon shape.

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Another bow with flipped tips and r/d at glue up.

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yep going in the shed and doors closed later today..still about 90 now..I see the glue squeeze out and harden but Im not messing with it until later...I didn't flip the tips..wasn't sure I needed to, thought it would hold the reflex some...Im sure I will do that next time if I ever get decent enough to make a bow...do I use the gizmo on the outer limbs?  Now Im looking for a slat of wood that is long enough to make the riser section..the longest piece of wood I have is a 1ft section of snake wood that is 1/2" thick and Im sure Im gonna have to laminate a pc or 2 to get it thick enough make the handle...or if I can get a chance I will run up to wood workers supply and browse thru their pile of scrap and see if they have a piece that is long and thick and wide enough....I don't think Im able to use exotic woods as I just found out Im getting some reactions from them..I cut out a piece of ebony the other day for a knife and got wood dust on my arms and Im having some skin irritations and they are bubbling and boiling up and oozing out so Im trying to stay away from exotics until I get a handle on it...prolly get walnut or something safer for me...I might have a piece of osage that was from a way earlier attempt that I cut from the bow that might be wide and thick enough to use...Im getting there I hope..I have been out side at least 50times so far to look at the blank  :)

Sounding good.
Hickory and,walnut glued together makes an attractive handle.

You will be able to use the gizmo on the R/D area but it will only show where it is not bending at first. Getting those,areas,to,come out right is the real key.

Looks like you're on your way to making a shooter.  Wishing you all good luck the rest of the way.     :thumbsup:

Oh ya, IPE tore me up bad. Osage would be cool with a lam of walnut added. You need a one inch thick riser section.

thanks everyone for the advice and tips and the well wishes..Im hoping its gonna take...yep walnut and osage would be nice ...gonna try to get up to the wood store hopefully tomorrow so I should see whats availiable..to bad they don't carry osage up here

If you want to wait a few days, I'll send you a nice piece of Osage for your riser.

sent you pm...it will be a few days before I can get it profiled as like Roy I found someone willing to marry me and I have to do wedding stuff  :)

OMG, there's going to be a wedding! Well congrats, Art. I replied to your PM, son...

yep my second and my last...LOL  she is a good women, have to be to put up with a cripple  :)

go for it razor back really hope it turns out well for you mate. Keep the aussie flag flying!   :wavey:

I'm hoping it will turn out good specially with the help from you guys out on this site. I have a good feeling about it now I got some more mojo coming. Roy out of the goodness of his heart is sending some Osage material for the handle. So if that doesn't help in making this bow along with my buddy David's wood and boo that he sent then I don't know what will

I have it baking in the sun as of 7 this morning. It's hard not to unclamp it to look at It but I won't mess with it until later this evening when I unclamp it from the jig. It's another hot day today of 90 degrees. It's in the hottest spot of the yard along with a nice breeze to circulate. I can see where the glue squeeze out. it's hard as a rock

Art, ya gotta drink beer while building bows buddy, LOL.

I would but the meds I'm on says not suppose to plus a 6pk last me about 4 months or so

OH my, that's what's wrong then:) I soaked the Osage in beer before I sent it so you'll be good to go then:)

Roy that's a great idea.  You could just put whatever dust comes off it in your lip like a dip of snuff and just suck the beer out of it...mmmmmmm tasty.  But Art I agree with Roy ya gotta have beer when your building.  Your very welcome for the wood my friend.  This one will work out for ya so no worries.  I HOPE..LOLOL  I use a piece thicker than and inch for my riser though but I do mine different than grandpa Roys.  Kudos to ya Roy for sending him a piece of osage.  That's great of ya ol buddy.  Look forward to seeing how it all comes out Art.

Yep I'm looking forward to it. I think it's gonna be the BOW.  Ok ok I'm going out with the little women and I will have a few beers  LOL

I'm warshing yew dust down with Budweiser. Mmmm-mmmmm.

ok beers were drunk at dinner and finally got home and unclamp it from jig...didn't do anything else..will takes pics in morning and take tape and plastic if I can off...man glue gets everywhere don't it

David..thanks for the vote of confidence..I think...LOL  yep its gonna be the one

It's MORNING TIME...

Sitting here tapping toes on floor, waiting to see the pictures..

Let's go son, PICTURES...   :archer:

Come on Art, it's almost noon, guess I will check tomorrow:)

Hang in there Roy.  He will get them. But no really Art we wanna see it. lol  No really, NOW!!!  Its only 11:18 here so I can't get a beer yet.  Got to wait to at least 12:00. lol  MMMMMM Coors original.

Ok I took some pics. But I'm off doing errands with the BOSS. All I want to do is play with the wood right now. But soon as I can I will put them up

OMG, the Boss put her foot down? Not even married yet and she wears the pants in the family already! LMAO, but I understand  :)

What's ya think D? :)

Yep she wears the pants and I have to behave LOL

Oh Art that's so so so sad to hear.  Does she make you iron those pants before she puts them on too????  Remember when you asked me why I wasn't married yet and what did I tell ya......... 31 was way too young to just give up on life...lolololol  I've just got too much to live for..lol  Oh just givin ya a hard time my friend.  My grandpa told me one time that he ALWAYS gets the last word when he argues with grandma its "Yes Dear"...lol  He's a very wise man.

We want pictures....We want pictures.... Tick Toc Tick Tock.... We want pictures!!!    :biglaugh:

I don't see nothing:)

ok ok    :bigsmyl:

I guess it's Ok.  :thumbsup:

might be better if it was yellow gold huh OLD MAN  :)

forgot to mention I use a file and scraper and some sandpaper to get close to lines..stayed away from handle section...starting to look like ...well a bow blank now..who would've thunk it..LOL

Hey man that looks pretty good.  I bet it will be just fine.  That garden is coming along too I see.  I look forward to seeing her take shape.

David..yep its coming thanks to you and that ol guy from the Amish Country...hope he knows as much time as he spends here, he's gonna get shunned from hanging and help us English   :biglaugh:

What's this old man stuff?  :saywhat:    :biglaugh:

well Granpa you are pretty darn old aint cha but you have a mass wealth of knowledge to pass on to us young uns and for that many of us are thank ful...I cant wait to get back working on this wood...made a jig to do my nock location..I was going to file about 1/8" for temp nocks but should I wait to do that until after the horn is glued on?

Wait for the horn.... Supposed to be there today!
Tomorrow at the latest.

That's funny I was just thinking of the riser and horn. Look out my door and saw a nice looking box and saw it was from Roy   Thank you sir. I got it cut and profiled and now to fine fit before gluing up but I won't be able to do that until I get back home in a few hours.  Pics to follow.  Thank you Roy. The wood is nice but that horn is sweet. Already cut and ready to glue.  Thank  you thank you ( in my best Gomer Pyle voice)

Get er done, Art.   :thumbsup:

Good luck with it Art.  We need more pics..lol

Tomorrow D, momma put her foot down again:) LOL

OK OK here it is, 10 minutes after it arrived, I layed it out to line up (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/002_zpse3e847a0.jpg.html%5D%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/002_zpse3e847a0.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]  (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/001_zpse8b0adba.jpg.html%5D%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/001_zpse8b0adba.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]
I cut it to shape    (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/004_zps364ece97.jpg.html%5D%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/004_zps364ece97.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]  (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/003_zps589bd66f.jpg.html%5D%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/003_zps589bd66f.jpg)[/url] [/IMG] I then use scraper and file and sandpaper to form fit as best as I can then I work on nock overlay prep
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I did both sides and then got it to shape and fine fit and then I did this
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then I went and glued both sides up  (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/009_zpse85618ba.jpg.html%5D%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/009_zpse85618ba.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]  (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/007_zpsf1dea2e2.jpg.html%5D%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/007_zpsf1dea2e2.jpg)[/url] [/IMG] then the final thing I did tonight was this (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/008_zpse304b934.jpg.html%5D%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/008_zpse304b934.jpg)[/url] [/IMG] ..I wont be able to touch it at all tomorrow so that's good, let it cure..I have to get my sons fitted for tux's so that should be fun but as Im out there Im gonna be thinking of the blank and thinking of blank after I unclamp it what should I do first and what do I need to look for? Remember Im clueless as heck as when it comes to this, in the back of my mind Im thinking its gonna fail and that's not a good feeling to have..I guess because I failed to many times and BTW
Granpa Roy...you have some really nice WOOD   :biglaugh:

If momma keeps putting her foot down this bow is never going to get done..lol  As nice as Roy's "wood" as you put it is, that is a sentence you for sure could have left out. shew lol

It all is looking great so far ol buddy.  Those tips are going to be sweet when you get them all prettied up.  I don't do my risers like that so Mr Roy will have to help you with that part.  No worries on that though, trust me you would rather have his help anyway.  Get that negative thoughts out of you head Art.  Your bow will be just fine.  You will be shooting it before you know it.  Look forward to see how it comes along my friend.

Dammit Art, ya glued the riser and tips on backwards/upside down son! Hurry up and cut them back off...

LMAO...

Looks ok I guess:) I use nothing but rubber bands to hold down the horn tip over lays. Clamps always seem to want to slide off the end because of the angle and the slippery glue. And I love how ya cut up the yard stick for padding.. LMAO

Not looking to shabby Dude. ^5 Fuzzy Nu*'*  :)

yeah they do slide don't they...from now on its rubber bands, I did bike tires but I felt they weren't secure enough so I added the clamps, yep I bought some yard sticks and cut them up since they would conform to shape better and plus they right thickness and cheap, I actually had to go and check and see if I glued it backwards...thanks Roy, already getting into my head and BTW that's not hard to do I tell you  :)
David..heck man I need your help as well as Roy and who ever else can help this bow to well a bow stage....so what do I do next after I unclamp, what do I need to do next or what should I do, well I do know I need to have a beer right Roy, I start pretty early in the morning when I have time to work on the bow  :)

Do the facets like I explained in the pm.

Ah. Yes the facets. Ok will do that. Might get a few minutes today later on

I'll send ya pictures of how to do the riser cut, but looks like your other risers are ok. Just STAY AWAY from the limbs at the end of the riser when you start tillering, that's where you keep getting into trouble.

Agree with Roy. The easiest way on a,down hill spiral is to eat into the belly wood at the end of the,riser.
Just had that happen yesterday. Puts you on defense instead of offense.

I once tried my best to keep ol Roy from digging a hole in the limb at the dips to no avail. I kept writing the word "NO" there in pencil, and every time I'd check on him, my writing had somehow disappeared. She sounded like a shotgun when she blew.

Hey, at least it seems he learned his lesson  :)

Ya Bowjunkie, but that's because of all that rot gut Budweiser you was forcing me to drink that day...   :knothead:

I agree with Roy and everybody else.  Stay away from that area.  Its easy to get sucked in to shaving there.  Even got to be careful when blending your riser fades with your limbs.  I use spring clamps for my gluing my tips on.  I've never tried rubber bands.  And yes you got to have the right beer...My buddy brought me some that his friend brewed in his kitchen and HOLY CRAP WAS IT GOOD.  Its just great..lol

Here is how I do the tip over lays.

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And they don't slip at all if ya apply the gum bands correctly:)

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yep after my mishap today with then horn slipping..I went and did it exactly the way Roy did with the rubber bands...big improvent, I see now why and how..its near perfect, still minor issue but I think I saved the nocks...now in morning I am trapping the limbs the Roy way...so after that whats next?..I have some pics to put up..I like working with osage...specially scraping and filing..alot more pics to  follow

Razorback you are one dedicated dude.  to keep going after so many failures.  this is looking like a winner. i will offer up any advice i can... but everything i know i learned from the guys already helping you. so i will probably mostly just offer moral support haha! just read the whole thread.  Roy whats with the secret PMs about "facets".  some of us spectators like to learn too ya know!   :laughing:

It's a secret:)

Hey Roy, I have some of the horn like that.
What is the best way to get,it to the dimensions as shown.

I get the horn from a knife building site, it comes in a block 5" x 2.5" x 7/16th" thick. I just cut 1/2" wide slabs off it on the 2.5" end. Then I lay the slab on it's side and draw a line from corner to opposite corner and cut it on the band saw, then smooth up the cut side on a small 1" belt sander. Takes less than 5 minutes to make a set of over lays.

I was buying horn blocks like that, and still have some, but recently bought a bunch of water buffalo tips which are actually 5-7" long and solid. I should be able to get at least 3 overlays per piece x 15 pieces = 22 bows for $30? That's a much better deal. I got them on the big auction site.

You guys that are new to bbo's, or want to learn about tillering and shaping bows with facets should get Dean Torges' dvd and book. It's all covered.

ok here is where Im at after my slight mishap with the horn sliding..was able to fix it and here is it after truing everything up
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and a bad pic of the shape but otherwise nocks are about done other than a few minor details
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ok here is the riser getting squared up and pre facet (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/004_zpsf6cf7526.jpg.html%5D%20%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/004_zpsf6cf7526.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]  (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/005_zpsa510bacd.jpg.html%5D%20%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/005_zpsa510bacd.jpg)[/url] [/IMG] and here it is getting the lines for the facets  (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/007_zps69a09758.jpg.html%5D%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/007_zps69a09758.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]  
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I did the whole limbs front and back and use scraper on the boo and file on the wood followed up by scraper and block sand to get rid of the edges per Roy's instruction (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/008_zpscf5ea08e.jpg.html%5D%20%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/008_zpscf5ea08e.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]
and here it is after the minor surgery
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as you can see Im staying away from fades as that's my weakness along with many others

I floor tillered it until I got it bending 6" per limb ok here it is on the long string..just pulled taunt I scraped from the middle a little and exercised it some more to get it bending till I got it on a short string (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/013_zpsae241594.jpg.html%5D%20%20%20%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/013_zpsae241594.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]
and here is a badly tilted picture of the bow strung up and from top of block to bottom is 6"..I just pulled it slightly be secure on the post (//%5Burl=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/razorbak1/media/014_zpsc8a8ef76.jpg.html%5D%20%20%20%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/razorbak1/014_zpsc8a8ef76.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]
please note I did not pull past this at all as I do not want to mess up
another bad pic...top limb Im determining is on left and everytime I put on tree from now on is the top will be always on left..I need to work on my picture taking
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and this where Im leaving it for now unstrung of course...amount of time bow strung up is about 1 minute...I am waiting for your advice now guys     :bigsmyl:

stay away from those fades and start scraping the outer two thirds.  whats the brace height as shown? whats your goal weight?

fades are not being touched...so from mid limbs I need to scrape to the nocks or from maybe 3" from nocks? brace height is about 5" strung...goal weight is about 60# or so Im hoping..its 64" at nocks

how wide is the bow? 60 is a pretty high weight I think

It is 1.5 at the widest part tapering to 1/2" at nocks and about 1" or so in handle

Stay 8 inches away from the nocks. Your going to have to exercise the bow down the tree 30 times, pulling it 1 inch more after every 30 times and checking for any places that need attention. Start pulling to about 2 inches below where the string lays at a brace. After pulling the 30 times, pull it down and lock it there. Run the tillering gizmo up the limbs quickly then unlock it. Scrape ONLY where the gizmo marks the limbs. Do about 8 or 10 strokes with a scraper, then exercise 30 times again. After scraping, sand any tiny edges smooth. Keep the sides of the limbs smooth and round, check for that before pulling it again, every time.  Go slow! Think before you scrape. Stand back and look at the side profile of the limb thickness, they should taper evenly. If you see any little depressions, mark them with a NO and don't touch that area. The limbs should have a gradual thickness taper from flares to tips.  As you get farther down the tree, check the weight. You never want to pull it past what your intended  final weight will be. You said you have the Dryad DVD? Watch it again, Art.

That is a pretty typical profile at first brace.  As long as you are close to final thickness, I would pull it a little farther before doing much else.  You will likely need to remove wood at the midlimb but they can unfold on you in a hurry if you haven't pulled it some.

Here's my first BBO:  http://web.archive.org/web/20080302181542/http://residents.bowhunting.net/sticknstring/hbbb1.html

And another one:   http://web.archive.org/web/20080302180614/http://residents.bowhunting.net/sticknstring/danbbo1.html

Looking good. My only comment so far is don't  set it in stone which is the upper limb till your well into tillering. Maybe at the end.

Just remember, Art. Those outer limbs aren't going to come around till you get that bow drawn more down the tree. I wouldn't get too carried away removing wood till your pulling it to 16 to 18 inches. My buddies BBO at 6 inch brace.

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Pulled to about 20 inches here.


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Full draw, notice how straight the last 8 to 10 inches of the limbs are. But this bow had the tips flipped.

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Ok after reading Roys email I went out and did this..got it to brace of 6"
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I excercised it a lot..pulling  and using the gizmo on the outer 2/3 leaving the last 8" alone..I have it marked on sides from where mid limbs are to where the last 8" left stiff and then I got it to 14" maxed with 50#ish weight...Im leaving it alone for the night...did I do ok?
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Arrrrghhhh doing done light exercising pulls. Damn handle pops off. Looks like I'm doing handle duty again. Don't know why T3 didn't hold.  Gonna re sand and redo and hope it works again.  Gonna leave it alone for a day or do while handle cures.  Using T3 until I order uni bond.  I'm about fried on these failures. 1 type of bow I always wanted to build and own and u think I'm almost there.  My crap luck shows up

I don't use TB on handles. With TB you have to have almost perfect wood to wood contact.
Unibond or smooth on is the way to go.

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If you look at the bow, it's bending at the end of the risers, that's what caused the handle to pop off, you need to get the middle third of the limbs bending. I was thinking in the past you were removing too much wood at the end of the riser, but just maybe your not getting the limbs bending enough first.  Get wood off them, plus get unibond or smooth on for the riser. I have never used TB glue on any bow. I told you to stay away from the end of the riser and you did, but I think you are moving too fast down the tree before getting those mid limbs bending. I'll bet if you watched the limbs work as you were pulling the bow down the tree, you would see it was doing all the bending at the end of the riser. My bad for not telling you about that. As I pull a bow on the tree, I want the limbs to look like a wave in the ocean, the outer third starts to bend, then the middle third starts to bend, then the inner third starts to bend.

Hang in there Art...

Compare these two pictures, you will see what I mean, Art.

My Buddy's bow at 20 inches

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Your bow at 14

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The areas circled need wood removed.

Roy is right on as usual. Looks like the right limb might need to catch up with the left a little too.

Watch the two DVD's I sent you, watch them 3 times each:) Especially the Dryad one.

that's exactly where I been working Roy from the get go....scraping and sanding per what you said to do...I think I had bad glue line as I was sweating and might have gotten somr in glue/wood
im gonna refresh the handle and watch some videos

right where im working at Roy is where the curve is at..will that matter...in past I have attacked fades bad but not on this one

Way to go Roy...way to just let him pop the handle off...lolol  Keep your chin up Art this one will work out.  The handle is just a minor mishap.  An easy fix.  Like Roy said get those mid limbs bending and it will take a lot of the pressure off of the handle.  If everything worked out perfect then everybody would be doing it and it wouldn't be near as fun..lol

nah its all good..I cant blame the ol COOT  :)   I blame myself..I messed up somewhere so no further installations till I rectify and find out what I did...and get the handle back on so I can work the tiller the way you fellas said to and unibond is going to be ordered this week..cant take it anymore..If I cant make a bow with this then Roy I want you to blunt me at 20 paces right between the eyes....wonder since I didn't have a beer open that was the problem..LOL

I dunno if I would tiller it any without the handle placed back on it. Take your time... wait for the Unibond! Take a step back before you go to quickly and end up with nothing... Watch your Dvds and wait! Its a killer though trying to wait... I should know! Turned many a bow into toothpicks lol

While you wait for your glue, let's try to figure out why your handle popped so it never happens again.

What is the thickness of the core wood at the center? Was it tapered in thickness prior to glueup? How much is it tapered? What is the thickness at the dips and thickness at the tips? How was it tapered? By hand, jointer, thickness sander, or what?

How long and thick is the power lam? What kind of wood is it?

How were the gluing surfaces prepped? Were they smooth or rough? What tools were used on the surfaces prior to glue up? Oil from skin or sweat on gluing surface? Degreased or not? Degreasing isn't necessary if you go from a freshly prepped surface right into your glue up without fingering it up.

Keep in mind, Unibond and Titebond require two different gluing surfaces... rough and smooth respectfully.

How was the fit beteeen the handle piece and blank prior to glue up? Did you hold it up to a light background and study it for gaps?

What draw weight are you shooting for?

Good morning, Art. Put a smile on your face dude, it's a brand new day:) I "do" understand that you "were" working on those areas I have circled and actually you could extend those circles a little on both ends. Where you "strayed" off course was when you kept pulling the bow farther and farther down the tree, before getting those mid limbs bending. Like I mentioned above, had you been paying closer attention to how the limbs were reacting/bending as you pulled it, you would have seen them doing all the bending at the ends of the riser. That is not what you want to see. You want to see the entire limb bending in a nice gentle arc.

Your first braced picture wasn't all that bad, however you can see how flat the mid limbs are and you can see where the limbs are doing all the bending at the ends of the riser. At that point before even pulling the bow on the tree, you should have kept working those mid limb areas till you did see them bending at a braced profile. You said you floor tillered it? When you floor tiller, you want to see those mid limbs bending some. Hickory is a very strong wood so it's going to take some wood removal to get them bending. But in doing so, you also need to maintain an even thickness taper from the flares to the tips. Just like when you do the pre thickness taper on the belly slat from 1/2 at the flares to 3/8th at the tips, you need to maintain that even gentle taper while removing wood when tillering.

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Below is the braced profile you need to shoot for, and when I first string up a new bow, it does look very close to this because of my thickness limb taper and width profile taper, but before I begin to pull it on the tree, I start removing wood where needed to get it looking real close to this profile. I do that with the bow braced, I remove some wood with a scraper and then sand paper and pull the bow to maybe 3 or 4 inches about 30 times by hand.

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I think you get in a hurry to pull the bow down the tree, before it's ready for that part of the process. Wait for the unibond, then ruff up both surfaces with a toothing plane or hacksaw blade if you don't have a toothing plane. Make sure the fit is very precise, and glue her up. I blow the dust off then wipe the wood with denatured alcohol, let it dry a few minutes and glue away.

Then when you string it back up, start removing wood at a brace height and get some bend in those limbs like I explained right above. And smile Art, things could be a lot worse!

I'm gonna have to disagree with Roy. I would not try to achieve the braced profile of the bow he pictured. Your bow is not that far from where you want to be. IMO.

Please answer my questions about your tapering and such. This will give us a better idea of where we're headed and where we're at.

Tillering a d/r bow, or any bow, can be done numerous ways and still be done 'right'. There's no one right way.

Many of my bbo d/r bows are straight thru the limbs at brace, very similar to your bow's left limb, some even still showing reflex. How it looks depends on the unbraced profile(amount of, and placement of, reflex and deflex) and how you prefer the limbs to work.

Your bow is gentle in both deflex and reflex, so I would probably tiller it so that it had a very slight arc to it at brace. Get the right limb to match the left first, and as you exercise it, watch for movement at the dips. If the limbs move too much near the dips, scrape the mid and outer limb a little and try again. Eventually they'll begin to show a wee bit of arc at brace, just don't overdo it... and don't pull it farther until it is as good as you can make it at the current distance.

I  would check limb timing and make any necessary adjustments next.

While exercising, I'd be watching the inner limbs to actually SEE if they're doing too much work. The deflex in d/r bows can make the dip area look like it's bending too much when it actually is doing less or no more than the rest of the limb. Don't be fooled. Always keep in mind where the bow starts... unbraced... ALL tillering profiles are relative to THAT. Don't make a d/r bow whip ended trying to give it the arc of a straight bow at brace.

If the front profile is what you want, and pretapering in thickness is adequate and accurate, the bow will try to show you early on how it wants to bend relative to the glued up profile. Don't completely ignore her. Don't try to make her something she's not.

Yup Jeff, I was only trying to show him how the limbs should have an arc in them at brace, compared to his limbs being flat and actually reflexed at mid limb. He pretty much used a form like I do for the glue up, so I would assume his side profile would mirror mine pretty close.

ummm..let me see if I can awnser some questions, the hickory was about 1/2 thick and tapered to end and I want to say .001  and handplaned and the PL was 20" long and tapered to knife edge from 1/8" thick in center and made out of bamboo..the bamboo was tapered as well from 1/8" in center to 1/16" at tips...all the wood and bamboo I had gotten from my buddy D  he took care of me on this one, I rough up all surface slightly with hacksaw then I brushed it off and use denatured alcohol to clean...after I did the handle area I might have done same thing but I used different glues in the process..smooth on limb and T3 on handle but with rough surface versus a smooth surface so that's where I think I goof...gonna fix it and get back on the horse so to speak...Roy after I got it bending to where you said to get brace I work it inch by inch right in those areas and maybe I was to anxious  :)   and yep my form is a spitting image to Roys

Yes Art, at least get the mid limbs bending a little bit first cause it's way too stiff in that area. Then work it down the tree, I'd start at about 10 inches since you already had it to 14. Pull it 30 times to 10 and watch how the limbs react, if it's still bending only at the end of the riser, then weaken those limbs a little at a time till they start to bend a little, keeping them uniform in thickness taper. As you pull it, you can see where it's bending and where it's flat.

It's already bending some throughout the limb because it looks a lot different now than it did at brace. I think it needs to bend a little more though.

Art, are you saying the hickory is tapered .001" per inch? And it's just one solid piece of hickory, right? If so, that's not enough taper, which will cause it to work the inner limb more than the rest of it. The good news is, you can increase the taper until you get the bend you want. If it would have been tapered sufficiently prior to glue-up, your handle may not have let go and you wouldn't be trying to play catch up with your limb bending. Not a big deal, you'll get er bending, I'm just lettin ya know for next time.... with these bows, the bulk of such work is best done prior to glue up.

Another thing that happens sometimes is that if you have to remove too much wood AFTER gluing these bows into reflex... the more wood you remove from the belly, the more reflex it pulls itself into, and then the stronger(falsely) it appears early in the draw, so you remove more wood thinking she's just being stubborn, it pulls into more reflex, etc, and you don't realize you're headed for an underweight bow.

Just something to keep in mind for future reference... adequate, accurate pretapring is the ticket to these things. If you lay a good foundation, the tillering and such on these things is cake.

I'm not sure what the taper is now. David can awnser that better. I'm gonna go back to 10" and go from there once I get the riser mated again. I'm struggling right now on 1 side to get it tight so sanding and scraping is needed. Might have to do a different riser now. Not sure yet (sorry Roy. Great piece of Osage) will work more when I get home from appts. I will get it done somehow. Almost tempted to boil riser to conform to shape

Could you guys state how much taper before glue,up on say a 50 # @28 inch BBO. 64 inches long.

1/8" or a little less from dips to tips is a good place to start.

Thanks, I've been doing it all after glue up.

No problem, Mac. You'll like the results. There are reasons other than those mentioned so far for doing it prior to glue up. It makes it a little easier to bend since we're bending a little less wood, so we can bend it farther. If supported on posts during glue up, it also bends in a more even arc throughout the length of the limb since pretapering is not unlike 'pretillering' in a sense. If not pretapered, the glued up, unbraced side profile will show the reflex concentrated more at mid-limb where the center post was... i.e. more 'hinge-like' rather than gradual 'arc-like'... which just throws another tillering hurdle in front of us when we try to achieve a gradual curve under string tension.

In tri-lams, there are even more benefits.

Art, ya having fun yet? LOL

Ya I taper my belly slat thickness from 1/2 at center to 3/8th at tips before glue up. 1 1/4 wide at flares to 1/2 at tips.

Heading out tomorrow for a three day trad shoot/campout.. have fun Arty ole boy:)

I have had no fun today with riser Im still off on the gap..I might have to cut another piece out for handle if I cant close the gap...look in my folks basement..I have some type of wood that I got years ago when I was gonna be a "BOWYER"...Im gonna try to make it work with Roy's wood but if I cant then resort to plan B...Im gonna take the time and do it right so wish me luck guys...Have fun Roy and bring a compass in case you get "OLDTIMERS" and get lost on the ranges..that way you will find your way out...LOL

I maybe mistaken on the taper..I know David tapered it real good, Im wondering if I glued it in upside down now thinking of it...lets say if you laid it on the table and you sighted down the blank and you see a shallow part then a flat part then a shallow (taper)part then that would be considered the belly section correct....now Im really thinking if I glued it upside down so when I tried to tiller that's why I kept getting the problem in the out 2/3rds  I tell you guys I suck at this

I told ya you glued it on upside down, didn't I?  :laughing:    :deadhorse:

Did you mark one riser end as TOP? As in top limb? And did you mark your top limb on your bow, as in top limb? LMAO, ya didn't did ya? Do that son. Then place it on the bow the same direction EVERY TIME?
You NH guys drive me nuts!
ROFLMAO:)

I have one side that I marked as top when I did the riser..Im wondering if I glued the blank upside down..who knows now...LOL

lololol  God lord I don't check this til 12:30 tonight and you all have went nuts..

Bowjunkie..The core was thickness tapered at .0025 of an inch per inch.  the taper starts about four inches from the center out to the tips.  It was tapered on my planer.  The power lam was made from action boo, its 20 inches long and is 3/16 thick in the center and tapered evenly to the ends where they are feathered to where I could almost see light through them when I held them up. I put my risers on the side of the core that wasn't planed so its a flat mating surface.  I wrote on the wood which side this was (I think I may not have)  Is that not enough taper??

D, I like a slightly steeper taper .0035 or so per inch to get a bow like his glued up. I play around changing the taper depending on limb length and unbraced profile, but don't take anything I say as gospel... I'm still learning here myself. I need to start keeping better records of this stuff I suppose.

I don't keep records either.  I mean to on every one that I build and then ever do.  I only have made one taper sled.  All of my cores have that same taper.  Too lazy to make a new one..lolol  It seems to work out pretty well for me.  But that's just they way I do it.  Hell it very well may be the wrong way to do it.

I keep completely detailed records on glass bows, but all wooden laminated bows can still be tillered and weight-adjusted on the belly, so it's slightly less important. I have notes scratched here and there, just haven't started a log book dedicated to them yet. So far, they seem to be working out.

Im keeping records and notes right now myself..had to walk away from the bow project today..brain just fried, worked on setting up my shop better ..will get back to it tomorrow or sunday...hopefully riser issue will be fixed

well I haven't gotten back to bow yet..spent the weekend working on my shop to make it better accessible...gonna start work on the riser again in the AM  just had to walk away for the last few days before I mess up...hopefully this week it will be shooting finally

Take your time Art.  Don't rush it

So your gonna work on your riser in the morning? I'm proud if ya son. LMAO

I worked on the riser  couple hours this morning..got it gluing right now..I wont touch it until later tomorrow...can start tillering again..I know Roy..stay away from fades and work the mid limbs  :)

just read the entire thread. Keep your chin up Razor. what you're going through is precisely why I'm using glass......scared. I know I'll tackle some wood bows someday. You keep listening to the great guys helping ya(you too Roy) and you'll be fine. keep up the great work
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Glass? LMAO, what is glass?  :)   I hain't never seen a 9 page build along. What's wrong, Art?  :bigsmyl:

one day I will tackle glass but first I want to get a few BBO/BBH/BBI done then a stave or 2 then glass...got to get the basics down first. While its frustrating, Im learning a lot from you guys specially D and Roy...who would've thunk it   :)

Not me, LOL..

Hell I'll take the credit...lololololol  Just kidding.  Goodness I'm just kidding. Roy we all know its your guidance that is keeping all of us in line.  lol

Headed out to the shop to work on this bow.  Get the band aids ready LOL

been watching this since day one...looking forward to seeing the finished bow...I feel your pain though...today I will attempt to take my long term project...a sinew backed osage static...to full draw... I'm at 22.5" and it scares the pooh out of me every time I draw it to the next level...   :pray:   !
Bob

Art's been texting me pictures and videos for two hours now. I text him back pictures with circles on them and advice:) He is getting real close to a BOW:)Ya otta here him groaning on the video when pulling the bow down, LMAO:)

get some pictures up here for us commoners.

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Well I think Art might have a bow, we've only been texting for two and a half hours now, LMAO..
Looks nice, Art.

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And his last picture. I told him to leave it alone and have a beer:) I was gonna take a nap, But it ended up 5 beers and a little buzz, now I gotta hurry up and cook Momma dinner, she will be home in 20 minutes. LOL.. Ya did well son:)

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Thanks Roy. Wouldn't be able to get it that far without your help. What you think. You think it's done   It's 55@26. Was shooting for 60s. My scale was all messed up but it long run it should be good.  Hope it don't blow up.

Sorry about the nap Roy. Forgot you need your beauty sleep. LOL

the pics at 26"draw (my draw)  trying to tiller it to 27"  been using sandpaper  to get it to tiller....spent 2 hours getting the mid limbs to bend before I even contacted Roy....wow what feeling to get so close to a finished bow...never felt that way before...hope it stays together

55 is plenty. You need to get over that high weight.

now that's lookin good Razor !!!

LOL...to be honest I have always shot better with higher weights but if this bows tiller is done then Im happy with 55..LOL

Art your not getting any younger, and now that you got the first one under your bvds, it's time to plan the next one:)

well this one is not out of the woods yet...still have to send pics for your final approval  :)

We want to see an un-strung and a braced profile picture and a full draw money shot profile  picture of you shooting it. NOW...   :jumper:      :dunno:  

And did ya shoot it yet? Ya otta put at least a hundred shots through her before the final sanding and finishing.

See Razorbak, why the hell ya so nervous and discouraged for? Ya did it and that's a beautiful tiller and very well done on getting 55#!!!! Take that thing out and shoot it!! Ya can't be disappointed at all with that thing!! You did very well!!!!

I guess it's OK...  :laughing:

I shot it about 5 times..will get other pics tomorrow..Im just about fried from today's tillering nightmare..thanks to Roys help I was able to get it that far

So your camera doesn't have a flash? LMAO you NH guys are sissy pants:)  :laughing:

you guys are awesome

congrats Razorback. U is de man!   :thumbsup:    :clapper:

nah Im not the man..Roy is  :)   Im just stubborn  :)   cmon D where you at bro..come down and check it out...thanks to everyone here for the support..honestly couldn't done it without all you guys help and encouragement...still a ways to go before this is wrapped up

always a real pleasure to see some one successfully turn out their own bow no matter what the type.Looking forward to the '   :thumbsup:   action shots'

action pics to follow later today   :)    thanks guys  already thinkin of my next one and what I can do better the next time and I will get proper glue this time as well and Roy I wont go that fast for you next time as that way you can savor your beers and not get !@#$ faced....LOL

HELL YEAH ART...THATS FREAKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I couldn't be more happy for you my friend.  It looks great.  It really does.  I told you to listen to Roy.  That old coot really knows his crap.  I'm super happy for you ol buddy.  Lets have some more pictures.  Gotta get that money shot up on here.  A huge congrats Art.

Nice work on your bow.  Congrats!

Let's go Art... It's morning time, get yer Donald Duck jammies off and get yer butt outside:) Not too shabby dude:)
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More pictures from Art, he is going to take a money shot picture in a little while.

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27 draw here.

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Very nice! Congrats on crafting a fine bow!

Very nice. Bet it shoots well.

Well done Art. Well done

YEAHHHH BUDDY!!! Nice job!

Ok stain is on. I used tan leather dye on the hickory and have 2 coats of try oil on it. Might put 1 more on. I will leather grip it and make new string for it tonight   Thanks everyone for the help in making this bow a reality for me.  I hope all my next bows I build will give me the satisfaction this one has and Roy when I call on you again for help. Get a case ready because your gonna be totally hammered by the time were done. LOL.

That circle thing really makes that tiller look great.  I'm super happy for ya ol buddy.  It really does look great.  What did you end up using on the boo?  Did you stain it the same as the hickory?

Ah come on D. It's just ok.
 :laughing:

I wonder where the money shot picture is?  :)

I bet momma put her foot down again..lol

sorry....I gripped it and stringed it and signed it after putting her thru a color change and a frosting   :)   she is done...put about 200 shots thru her...will oil her down 1 more time and then take the money shot along with a few more but wont be able to do that until early afternoon  :)

OMG, I never thought about Momma thumpin his a$$ again:) I'll bet she stole the camera and been taking pictures of the grass that needs mowed, garbage that needs hauled out, empty beer cans piled up, and some lard a$$ playing with his riser in the shed:) LMAO

lololol Holy Crap Roy that's funny.  Just Ol Art setting there in his shed rubbing oil on his stick..lolol

Hahaha that's funny right there!

:eek:    :eek:    :eek:    :scared:    :bigsmyl:    :thumbsup:

LMAO

Art's Mrs. Boss sent me a picture of how high the grass has gotten since Art started building his bow..   :laughing:  

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WOW Roy..thats wrong on many levels...LOL..because its true..LOL  :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:  
well here are some pics, not the greatest but its all I got
lefty
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look at this crazy grain
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well I have one more pic the specs are 64" and wearing a 14 strand 8190 string  and 56#@27" and made as a dual side bow as I shoot lefty and righty and I want to thank you guys for the support and help and I want to especially thank 2 wonderful guys  Roy and "D"avid without these guys generosity and help I wouldn't be able to make this bow... which is why I named this Bow what you see written here...thank you again guys and its my first shooter and it made weight to boot
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Pretty darn nice, Art. ^5 and congrats...

Hell yeah its nice. Proud of ya Art.  It was absolutely my pleasure my friend.  That's a great name for her too I think.  What do you mean you shoot both??  Well I know what it means but still..  Which way do you shoot better?  I thought you was a lefty only shooter.  Anyway..Art that's a great looking bow.  The tiller in the full draw pics look great.  I like the color of the hickory  and the boo too.  And of course we all love osage.  Congrats again man.

Roy that pic is freaking hilarious.  I laughed pretty hard.  I especially like the bow on the tillering tree..lol  You Goofball..lol

Nice job, Art. You overcame some obsticles and stuck with her. Learning how to do that is a big part of bowmaking.

Read nice job Art!!! Especially the name!!

Fried n D ship!!

Great name for a bow , man!!

Sorry Roy, the devil made me!!   :laughing:

Great job art!!! Now take that thing to the woods this fall and kill a nice NH deer!!!

McKenzie I never did like you.... LOL

Thank you guys..I do appreciate the comments and such..Im hoping to hunt this year with this bow..I thought long and hard and I thought that "FRIENDSHIP" would be a good name as it brought me 2 new friends that were very kind and helpful..without this site ..I would have never been able to meet some great people here..
"D"  I do shoot both but I shoot lefty slightly better but will shoot righty as well at shoots..I like this during hunting as I wasn't able to take a shot at a deer 1 year going lefty but was able to turn and pivot and shoot righty and take that deer cleanly so I like to switch it up sometimes

terrific outcome , congrats!

thank you fellas for the nice comments  :)

super-awesome Razor    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:

thank you Josh..couldn't done it without Roy and D and all of you guys...actually had a older guy yesterday check my bow out and asked all kinds of questions about it and actually liked it   :)

What do you mean "actually liked it"??  Why wouldn't he have liked it?? lol  Ok you can stop giving me credit. lolol  Your the one that did all the hard work man.  All I did was drive to the post office.  Which by the way I live about a half a mile away from so not really a big deal there either.  lol.

I said it before and I'll say it again.

I guess it's Ok..  :laughing:

David..if you didn't drive to the PO then I wouldn't have been able to make it  :goldtooth:  
and Roy coming from you I will take it as a big compliment  :biglaugh:

RIP friendship bow..broke 12" from tips on 1 limb...broke on bamboo thru to the hickory..almost a clean break...my record stands still..no bow made it yet....so damn frustrating

Sorry Art.

Sorry to hear this. You had plenty of shots thought it to call it a bow.
Time to get back on the horse.

Thanks guys. If I ever make another bow I will use Osage  maybe that will increase my chances in making a keeper

Dog gone Artty boy sent me a knife today that he made. Very sharp knife, no pun intended:)

Thanks Art

Roy

He makes knives too??  That's awesome.  Hey Art I agree with macbow, you cant put this one in the unsuccessful column.  In my opinion you made a working and shooting bow.  Yeah it broke but things just do that from time to time.  You got to shoot it for a while so it needs to be a check in the win column..but that's just my opinion.  Congrats on the knife Roy.

D I got a knife coming to you to bud  as soon as I can get the right steel. I know the logical thing to do is get out there and make a bow but I'm not sure if I have it in me to try after all the attempts over the years

chin up fella! As they said you made a working bow, so hop back in the saddle!   :thumbsup: