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Title: new design, PICS
Post by: kennym on March 31, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
OK, since we are having a St Judes challenge, I'm designing a new 48" d/r longbow (shortbow?)

Anybody got any stacks for 48" beasts?

How heavy should we make kids bows?


I'll get some pics when I have something besides paper with marks on it!   :biglaugh:
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 31, 2013, 04:21:00 PM
All your bows are sissy pants weight anyway so just make em like ya always do ole timer..   :laughing:  

Or ya could make some 15 to 20 pounds ifin ya want.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: talkingcabbage on March 31, 2013, 05:08:00 PM
Kenny, I think DVSHUNTER was gonna get some specs from a kids bow that he has.  I hope he does - I was looking at maybe doing one too.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 31, 2013, 05:15:00 PM
DVS said this: Kids bows seem to be all over the place. I make mine around 48 and up and the weight is usually somewhere around 15@15, 18@18, 20@20.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: kennym on March 31, 2013, 07:44:00 PM
Roy, I wuz makin it for you, ya think ya can handle 10# ? ? ?  Don't wanna get overbowed, son....

Joe, I made this one a pretty close 80% copy of my d/r. Will have to make a guess at stack/weight, but hey, 48" ought to draw to 15#  25" or so, I bet Roy mite be able to shoot it!!  :laughing:
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: Trapper Rob on March 31, 2013, 07:58:00 PM
Kenny make the weight as heavy as a Coors Lite bottle then Roy should be able to pull it.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 31, 2013, 08:02:00 PM
You glass bow boys are always playen wif your stack. I think dats half the problem wif yunzs too:)   :laughing:     Robbie ya just lost one of them Osage billets and pieces of boo ya had sent here:)
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: strungstick on March 31, 2013, 09:51:00 PM
I've made a 46" RD and used .040 clear glass, 2 - .080/.001 tapers and a .020 parallel to make a accent stripe down the middle.  Finishes at 22# and 20"
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: kennym on March 31, 2013, 10:02:00 PM
Thanks Rick!!
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: DVSHUNTER on March 31, 2013, 10:13:00 PM
Sorry Kenny. I have been slacking on the measurements. I'm having a hard time getting a hold of something other than a tape measure for some accurate measurements. We real bowyers don't really need em.    :cool:  


Making em the same weight as a Coors can won't work cuz everyone knows Roy sips his raspberry beer from a straw.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: JamesV on April 01, 2013, 08:48:00 AM
Kenny..........

The kids bows I build are 48" T-T, 1" wide, 12" riser, 3/8 at the tips, .040 glass, TS .225 with .005 taper. 22# @ 20".

I also have formulas for 36", 42" 52" 54".

James
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: Dmaxshawn on April 01, 2013, 07:56:00 PM
52 inch bow.  12 inch riser 1 3/8th at the fades 1/2 at the tips. 250 stack. 35 @ 25 inches
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: JamesV on April 01, 2013, 09:26:00 PM
Get more bang for your buck, buy 2" glass and split it for kids bows up to 54".
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: DVSHUNTER on April 01, 2013, 09:39:00 PM
I measured the bow today and posted what I could in the st. Judes thread. Hope it helps. I also agree with the two inch glass split for two bows.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: kennym on April 01, 2013, 09:40:00 PM
Thanks guys, Appreciate the help!!

Was thinkin that James, actually gluing up a 2" one and tablesawing it down to about 7/8" wide on 2. Thanks!

Got my supplies for finishing the form today will report on how it works.

Am gonna build first one with clear glass so I can be sure of adhesion...
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: JamesV on April 01, 2013, 10:11:00 PM
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: JamesV on April 01, 2013, 10:16:00 PM
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: JamesV on April 01, 2013, 10:20:00 PM
Freud makes a 7 1/2" thin kerf 60 tooth carbide blade that I use on my table saw to split glass for $20 at Home Depot. I tape 4 pieces of 2" glass together and rip it on my table saw, works great.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: Jerry Gille on April 04, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Kenny, I glue them up on a 2" form and bandsaw them in half.  Fade thickness is about 7/8 to 3/4.  Tips are about 1/2.  I use .030 glass.  10 or 11" long riser.  One parallel and one taper - usually a .001.  I can't remember the total stack but I'll check my notes later and let you know.  They tend to come out 15 to 18 or so pounds at 20".  The profile I use is just a slight reflex.  I'd be interested in buying a r/d template from you someday if you get a design you like.

Jerry
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: kennym on April 04, 2013, 10:17:00 PM
Thanks for the info guys, I will have to make a sheet with all the stuff I'm learning on it!!
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: kennym on April 06, 2013, 06:16:00 PM
Have the form done and parts made for it.

Can do a 50" off it, so made a guess and will pike as needed to get what I want.

Heck, it may be about the right size fer Roy.... 15#

Gonna glue it tomorrow and prob work on it next weekend, then its turkey time for 3 weekends!!!
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 06, 2013, 06:26:00 PM
I think dah turkey just posted:) LMAO
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: kennym on April 07, 2013, 10:46:00 PM
I need a test midget Roy, my draw is a bit long fer it...

The new form and rope/hose plan

 (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/SANY0137_zps5249f8c2.jpg)

Profile...

 (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/SANY0144_zpsce1108b5.jpg)

Braced profile...(string is a fuzz short, brace is near 7", thinkin 6 to 6.5" would do)

 (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/SANY0140_zps84652566.jpg)

Money shot...

 (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/SANY0143_zps4b89a5a7.jpg)

It is still in need of some tiller work, it is 50" ntn right now, near 30# @ 22" so I came pretty close to what I wanted for a 1st try.

The hose and rope trick would have worked if my belly ramp curves weren't so tight. Next one will have a top form and the normal air hose deal. Got some fat glue lines, but the back of bow looks good.

Just need more pressure at ramps...

many thanks to all who gave pointers on stack!!
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 07, 2013, 11:11:00 PM
That looks pretty nice ole timer..
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: MoeM on April 08, 2013, 03:28:00 AM
Nice bow I like it- looks like a big one^^
I havent worked with air hose so far but for steep fadeouts I love my rubber tube strips- It`s not that professional and a bit of work to tighten strong but has it`s advantages anyway...
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: Buemaker on April 08, 2013, 09:02:00 AM
Looking good, nice lam grinder. Bue--.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: Dmaxshawn on April 09, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
Good looking bow Bud.   I need to get started on one for st Jude's.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: CalebNH00 on April 09, 2013, 10:54:00 AM
Kenny: If it won't hurt the bow i would brace it a little on the high side. that way younger kids wouldn't have to deal with to much are slap.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: jsweka on April 09, 2013, 07:42:00 PM
That's a nice lookin' little bow Kenny.   :thumbsup:  

I ain't namin' names, but that would be perfect some old timer I know here.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on April 09, 2013, 07:53:00 PM
Now that's the way a longbow should look when braced and drawn. Not one of those things that looks like it hinges right out of the riser.

 :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:  

Troy
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: kennym on April 09, 2013, 08:19:00 PM
Thanks guys! Thisun ain't goin anywhere, it has fat glue lines...  :rolleyes:  


John, check the first post... LOL


Troy, that is one thing that really bugs me about some bows is the hinge at fades!!
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: jsweka on April 09, 2013, 08:23:00 PM
I was talkin' about the other old timer.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: kennym on April 09, 2013, 08:24:00 PM
ME????  LOL
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: BenBow on April 09, 2013, 09:07:00 PM
Looks great Kenny, nice work.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: jsweka on April 09, 2013, 09:11:00 PM
Not you Kenny.  The REAL OLD TIMER.
(I wonder where I'm at on the list these days).
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: kennym on April 09, 2013, 09:22:00 PM
Oh, I goofed, was the first pic post!
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: jsweka on April 09, 2013, 09:27:00 PM
Yeah, that one   :thumbsup:  But like I said, I  ain't namin' names.
Title: Re: new design, PICS
Post by: kennym on April 09, 2013, 09:47:00 PM
You are prolly on the most wanted list in the beershack now!   :laughing:

I mean shop...