I just can't do it.... I can't make a selfbow. I have tried and tried and as always something goes wrong and snap, crack, bang, $*%&#&*@*!!!!
Kudos to you guys that can hammer these bows out. I was trying to toast and heat the belly of my snakey elm bow going slow when clamping and snap.... So dissappointed and fed up. Want to hunt bad this spring with a selfbow but its looking like it won't happen.
Time to turn into Roy and grab a cold one.... Try starting again on another tomorrow
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n just make another, I've made nine bows eight have broken. stick with it, you'll get it.
Looks like you have some fatal grain runout to me.
please don't turn into Roy. we couldn't stand the sight of another half naked bowyer !!
I haven't tried a selfbow yet... so you are doin great, don't give up. there are some selfbow build/shoots where you could get a hands-on build experience. the one I've been looking into is in Missouri
So sorry to hear that but I think you'll try again. Now that you've gotten some practice in, move on to a more reliable and forgiving wood - OSAGE!
Too bad, but it does happen. Agree with Joe - start with a good stave and things will go better I bet.
Just try again and try steam bending.
Happens to everyone, the best of us and the worst of us. The more twisted the sstave the tougher the challenge. Grab some hickory. It's really pretty forgiving as a selfbow I find.
I recommend getting the bow tillered and shooting, then start with the HEAT. Toast that bugger until your satisfied.
Best part of hickory is when you toast it, the wood smells like hickory nuts. If you have the patience, hickory nuts are delicious ... well some of em at least, probably not bitternut hickory ... but alot of the others are TASTY! Look another plus of finding, cutting and working hickory.
Cheers and good luck.
Ya quitter. Go drink a glass of warm milk, eat some cereal, put your Donald Duck jammies on and go to bed...! :laughing:
And I have lost count of how many bows have broken on me. At first it hurt, now I just laugh and grab a glass of warm milk. Seems to help:)
Being a bit younger than ol' Roy I can still stomach cold milk, but otherwise I agree 100%
Sorry about your disappointment. From the looks of things, it looks like the wood wasn't warm enough to bend as you clamped it along your caul and it simply gave way. When you're inducing reflex, you have to think of the belly as the back because it's undergoing tension while clamping. Hang in there! :)
Get a good, straight, stave to start with, preferably Osage or yew; one that will not need any heat or bending to make a shooting bow.
There are already to many variables with selfbows then to add the risk inherent with heating the stave. My personal belief is most of US use more heat than we should, and a lot more than is needed. Looking back, I'm fairly certain my heat treated bows have close to a 5 to 1 higher ratio of failure when compared to those that never see a heat gun or steam. Twenty years back, before the internet allowed us to freely exchange bow building information, the success rate for the first time bowyer was a lot higher. Yes, I said higher. Then, the average newbie was told to be careful, take it slow, not to press the limits of the wood, and to give a little in performance in exchange for stability and durability, Basically, putting it in horse sense terms, most would be better off trying to build/breed a good mountain horse before trying to build/breed the next triple crown winner. My guess is if you were to ask those who have built over a hundred selfbows, 90% of them had made at least five successful bows before they attempted to use heat. They wanted to limit the risk and increase the probability of success.
Can you use heat and make a good bow the first time out? Absolutely! The odds of doing so are just lower... I believe considerably lower.
Looks like a bad stave, where did ya get it?
Thanks guys for the kind words. I know it happenes to us all but I don't know how ya guys grab a new stave and begin again. Man all that time and energy and in one move... BOOM its gone.
Roy no donald jammies... their in the wash..I laughed out loud literally when I read that.
Gonna give it another go after my BBO is in glue up... Hopefully have that puppy in clamps by tomorrow.
Thanks again all!
You'll getter buddy, don't get down on yourself.
heck you got some stories to tell at least, I aint built squat yet. Don't look at it as a failure, just an unexpected oppertunity to learn or try something new.
Take your time and listen to these guys, they have alot of wisdom to share, and between your patiance and thier wisdom you will get the bow you want, I just know it. :thumbsup:
Atta boy, Justin. See ya feel better already:)
Yup listen to these guys. I've broke more then I've had work. You will get it...if I can do it you can.
I just seen on E-Beay that they are selling crying towels for half price. I'm gonna buy some n send em to ya son... :saywhat:
Haha... Can you just send me up a bow maid please and thank you!
LOL
When I broke my first (Osage self-bow) after spending 20+ hours working on it and it broke on me during tillering, I was aggravated and disheartened too. But I took it as a learning experience, I realized what I did wrong and jumped back on that horse. I am now working on my second.
I wouldn't be surprised if I break this one I am working on or the one's following. I guarantee you those guys who dish out bow after bow has had many of em break on them.
Notice though they only post the one's they make, not the one's they break! Too much is riding on their reputation to post a broken bow :bigsmyl: :goldtooth:
Brush the dust off and get back on that horse!
Amen to what Walt said on the first page. Skip all the heat treatment, Perry reflex etc... just get your tillering skills down pat on a straight limb bow. The deer this spring won't notice if you have a bit of string follow.
Get some Pignut Hickory, nothing else comes close. You'll find everything from Pecan to who knows in the "Hickory" pile at the lumber yard.
What Walt and 7-lakes have said...skip the heat. Find a good osage or hick stave, and purposely overbuild it...like "longer" or "wider" perhaps than you need to. Build some "fudge factor" into your work. Get decent at building bows without all the fancy tricks....just carve them and shoot them - I know that sounds a bit simple, but we put a lot of pressure on ourselves with all these expectations sometimes, and tend to make things harder than they need to be. You will get there!
Success will happen. Breaking bows is part of the fun. I still break em every now and then, but its usually from attempting something silly. Walt is right about that. The last bow I broke was a mullberry. I had it shooting well at my draw just a bit light so I had to tweak it. I ended up scorching the back whilke I was heat treating it and it blew into five pieces. It was very fun! Despite what you may have read, we do post failures, they just don't happen as much as they used to. I ruined my reputation in high school so I'm moot worried. Roy posts his breaks as well. But then his rep is about as good as mine. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
Hang in there and post pics of everything. The good, the bad, andthe ugly.
Trad Gang doesn't have enough band width to hold pictures of all my broken bows:)
QuoteOriginally posted by DVSHUNTER:
Despite what you may have read, we do post failures, they just don't happen as much as they used to. I ruined my reputation in high school so I'm moot worried. Roy posts his breaks as well. But then his rep is about as good as mine. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
Hang in there and post pics of everything. The good, the bad, andthe ugly.
Haha I know it seems my post was literal, I was intending on it being a sarcastical joke. There's a lot of humor flying around on the board, so I'd figured I'd jump in on it.