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Title: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: BCWV on January 14, 2013, 01:19:00 PM
Hi fellas,

I'm attemting a hickory self bow. This is my second try as the first was a disaster. I think I'm close on this one but would like to see what you all think. I think it still needs a little work on the bottom limb but am very close to even tiller after starting with about 3/8 positive, I'm now just shy of 1/8. I shoot split finger. I'm close to my target weight of 50# at 26. I'm 52#.
The left limb is the bottom on both pictures.
At 26"
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/WV-Rocklock/Tiller/P10104631_zpsdaa0c40b.jpg)
Braced at 6 1/2
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/WV-Rocklock/Tiller/P10104611_zpsff6c4cbe.jpg)
What say ye, ole wise bowyers?
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: razorback on January 14, 2013, 01:28:00 PM
To my eye the right limb is bending just a wee bit more close to the fades than the left limb, but that could just be the way it is sitting on the tiller stick. Tips are nice and even and looks pretty good to me.
Hope my hickory bows come out looking that good.
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: BCWV on January 14, 2013, 01:39:00 PM
Thanks razorback, that's what I'm seeing too. I've been hitting the left/bottom limb right out from the fade but keep losing my positve tiller so am confused what to do with it.
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: SportHunter on January 14, 2013, 01:53:00 PM
Have you shot the bow yet? I normally start shooting mine in a bit then working on final tillering. Start with partial draw shooting.

The tiller is looking pretty good. The top (right side) limb looks weaker overall but stiffer mid limb, the left (bottom) limb looks stiffer coming out of the fades.

I'd shoot it before doing final adjustments. Shoot, adjust, shoot, adjust etc. Most likely your tiller will change a bit with the shooting in process. Good luck.
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: BCWV on January 14, 2013, 01:58:00 PM
Yep, been shooting and tweeking on her a little. Thanks for your help. I'll keep at it.
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: fujimo on January 14, 2013, 02:05:00 PM
need to ask ol'RoyBoy, how he does that computerised elliptical circle trick.
it bares all!!
really would work well here.
but i think it is looking real good
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 14, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
It doesn't look bad at all, but I would get both limbs bending a tad more right out of the fades.
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: BCWV on January 14, 2013, 02:39:00 PM
Thanks Roy. I'll work on both limbs closer to the fades.
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: vanillabear? on January 14, 2013, 02:40:00 PM
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: LittleBen on January 14, 2013, 02:54:00 PM
looks pretty good to me. I say shoot the sucker.
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 14, 2013, 02:57:00 PM
Brad ya have one of these gizmos? They are great.
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000075
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: So-Mo Archer on January 14, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
Brad, I was about to suggest one of Erik's gizmos as well. The right limb looks stiff midlimb and the left is much stiffer in the fades. I would shoot it a bit, and use the gizmo to fine tune. Good luck.
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: BCWV on January 14, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
I worked on it some more but had to wait till my wife had time to take a pic for me. Sure was a big difference between how I had it placed on the tree and when I actually drew it. It does shoot well and I'm surprised how little hand shock I'm getting.
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/WV-Rocklock/Tiller/P10104821_zps32ffe591.jpg)
I think it needs to bend more in the first 3rd of the top limb but I'm running out of weight. I flipped it over and it looks the same either way. It's measures even tiller when I put the ruler to it.
It's got 1 1/2" set when I unstring it but goes to 1/2" after it sets for a while. I don't know whether to go any more on it or not. It's 68" now and I could cut it back but would end up at 64". I kinda hate to mess with it as it does shoot well for me.
Here's 6 at 18 yards off my hand and some arrows I had already.
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/WV-Rocklock/Tiller/2013-01-13_18-41-12_5261_zpsf423f41c.jpg)
What's your thoughts?

Thanks
Brad
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: BCWV on January 14, 2013, 08:25:00 PM
I do have a gizmo but I think I need to make it longer. Mine's 4" and I think it would work better made the right length.
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: jsweka on January 14, 2013, 08:34:00 PM
Brad - I think it looks pretty dang good and would leave it as is if it's shooting good for ya, but I'm certainly no wood bow expert.

If you can tiller that bow that well, you'll have no problem once you build that glass laminated Hill style   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: BCWV on January 14, 2013, 08:46:00 PM
Thanks John,
I've went as far as I can on the Hill project. My lams came today from Kenny M. That fella doesn't mess around!. He emailed me Friday evening with the price and they were here today. I'm waiting on my stuff from Binghams now.
I figured I'd try that hickory blank that I've had for 3 years, now that I have a hot box to keep her in while I was working it.
Looking forward to the next one!
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: red hill on January 14, 2013, 09:06:00 PM
Looks pretty good, Brad. but you look like a leftie trying to shoot from the wrong side of the bow.
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: BCWV on January 14, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
:D  No, I shoot right handed but have terrible form, plus I was trying to keep the top tip out of the ceiling. I need a room inside with higher ceilings for these after dark tiller shots.
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: vanillabear? on January 14, 2013, 11:34:00 PM
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 14, 2013, 11:46:00 PM
Looks real nice now, congrats.
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: eagleone on January 14, 2013, 11:58:00 PM
:thumbsup:  looks good to me! Nice work!
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: WestTexan on January 15, 2013, 12:11:00 AM
Yep she looks real good...that last bit of work did the trick! Nice bow.
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: BCWV on January 15, 2013, 07:02:00 AM
Thanks fellas. I did learn a lot on it. I'll shoot her some more before I finish it up. I really enjoyed this one.
Thanks for the help.
Brad
Title: Re: Newbie Tiller Help please
Post by: So-Mo Archer on January 20, 2013, 12:49:00 AM
Brad, in the hand, it looks pretty dern good! And looking at the group it put up, I would be thrilled myself. I will disclaim that I am FAR from being any kind if expert, but it looks very, very good.

By the way, a 4-inch gizmo can do as good a job as a longer one, but you just have to be very particular about how you employ it. Mine is just over 5 inches, but does what it should, so long as I don't rush.

Nicely done, sir! You are to be commended!  :clapper: