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Title: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: Glunt on January 19, 2012, 01:50:00 AM
I've been experimenting with different designs but they all have had pretty strong R/D.  I decided to try a milder design but keep a bit of reflex flair at the tips to keep them stiff.  For once I hit the profile & weight right off the bat.

This is the first one off the form and she is behaving nicely!  Argentine osage & bubinga riser, red elm cores, & pretty bubinga veneers (thanks Kenny).  53# @ 28", 62", .400" stack with .004" taper.  I finished it pretty flat but I might shine her up a bit since there's a little bling going on.

(http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab184/GBPHunt/OsageBubingabow.jpg)
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: stringstretcher on January 19, 2012, 07:50:00 AM
How about some pictures of you new form?
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: razorback on January 19, 2012, 07:55:00 AM
That is a nice looking bow. I like th ewood combo's along with the subtle curves.
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: canopyboy on January 19, 2012, 10:59:00 AM
Very nice, I really like your balance of curves.
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: Dmaxshawn on January 19, 2012, 11:42:00 AM
Very nicely done.
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Post by: soopernate on January 19, 2012, 11:45:00 AM
Wooooweeeeeeee...that is slicker than snot on a glass door knob.
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: nlester on January 19, 2012, 11:55:00 AM
I'll give you $100 for the bow.   :biglaugh:  That's an impressive looking bow.  I'd say you're new form is going to work out just fine.
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: BWD on January 19, 2012, 11:58:00 AM
Looks real good...flat included.
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: eflanders on January 19, 2012, 12:32:00 PM
Very nice!
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: Glunt on January 19, 2012, 01:39:00 PM
Thanks guys!  I'll post a pic of the form after it gets out of rehab. I had to straighten it as it took a bit of curve after it was cut out.  I heated it up and tweaked it straight before glue-up, but after cooking it went back to crooked. Luckily the bow came out straight.  I have the form clamped up learning to be straight at the moment.  It's made from of 3/4" good grade plywood and the original sheet had a little bend.  I figured if I laminated it with the bends opposing one another they would cancel each other out...didn't work.  I like the form and don't want to build it again so worst case I'll run some angle iron down the sides to make it see things my way.
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: Mike Most on January 19, 2012, 01:44:00 PM
Good old angle iron....
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: bretto on January 19, 2012, 01:58:00 PM
I really like Your tips. Man that seems strange to say out loud. HA HA

Could You elaborate how You put them together?
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: PV on January 19, 2012, 03:06:00 PM
I'd say she is worth a shine. Good looking bow. How do you like the .004 taper?
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: Glunt on January 19, 2012, 03:50:00 PM
Hard to say on the taper. I've been using powerlams but would like avoid them for simplicity. With the flare at the tips, .004 seems about right.  If I went  with less taper I think I would need a longer riser (18" currently) or a power lam to push the working section out a bit.  Any more taper and I think my string angle would get towards 90deg too soon.

Might experiment a bit.
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: Nim-rod on January 19, 2012, 03:57:00 PM
Gorgeous bow!
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: JJB on January 19, 2012, 06:49:00 PM
Your bow has really nice lines and the tips turned out really well.  It would look nice to add some shine to that bling.
-Jay
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: Glunt on January 19, 2012, 07:06:00 PM
Here's a pic at 28". Camera angle isn't perfect - the limbs do have the same profile.  

Any ideas on taper, P-lam or tip wedges are welcome.  Shoots nice, but I like experimenting.


(http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab184/GBPHunt/osagebububgadrawnandriser.jpg)
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: PV on January 19, 2012, 07:52:00 PM
"Any more taper and I think my string angle would get towards 90deg too soon."

That was my thought as well

How long is your PL? I use a PL 22-24" with an 18" riser depending on bow lenght on my longer R/D with a similar profile.  Longer riser with an 18" block of wood. I prefer grinding my fades with the drum sander rather than by hand. Saves me a considerable amount of time.
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: PV on January 19, 2012, 08:06:00 PM
Didn't see the full draw pic before I posted. Your tips look good.Your limbs are working well. You could try a TW to get a stiffer tip(although your string angle is good with what you have) and a little more bend mid limb.

I use an 003 taper with TW and PL now. Might have to give 004 a try. Thought I was done playing with this design THANKS   :knothead:
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: BigErn on January 19, 2012, 09:07:00 PM
You did a great job,heck of a bow!
                                    Ernie
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: kennym on January 19, 2012, 09:18:00 PM
Here is a 58" with the superlam in it Don.

28" draw

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/POA%20%20trade%20%20bow/002.jpg)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/POA%20%20trade%20%20bow/003.jpg)

29" draw

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/POA%20%20trade%20%20bow/006.jpg)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/POA%20%20trade%20%20bow/007.jpg)

It actually drew 29.5 before string reached 90* and over 30" before DFC showed signs of stacking.

This little bow has 10 big game kills, including deer , hogs, and bear. All at 38# at his DL  :cool:
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: Glunt on January 19, 2012, 09:48:00 PM
This bow has no power lam or tip wedge.  I usually build the first one without either to see what it looks like.  I've used 22"-28" on other designs.  Without a thickness sander, building nice consistent PLs and TWs is a slow process for me. I may need to try a Super Lam if you are offering them Kenny.  Thats a great profile!
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: bjansen on January 19, 2012, 09:54:00 PM
Awesome job....I love those mild R/Ds
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: kennym on January 19, 2012, 09:56:00 PM
What I like most about the SL is less stuff to deal with when greased with EA-40! LOL
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: Glunt on March 01, 2012, 01:32:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by bretto:
I really like Your tips. Man that seems strange to say out loud. HA HA

Could You elaborate how You put them together?
Sorry, saw this question a month ago and forgot to respond.  The accent tips are a very involved process that an old bowyer showed me after swearing an oath of...

Ok, actually they are dirt simple.  Just left over pieces of the riser accent.  I cut them from a piece of scrap when I'm squaring up my riser block after its glued (if its wide enough to shave a 1/8th" off) or use scrap from cutting out the belly fades when I cut the riser shape out of the block.

These had 1/8" phenolic under them.
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: Jorgy on March 01, 2012, 09:49:00 AM
Great looking bow Glunt.
Title: Re: New Form - Mild R/D
Post by: arrowlauncherdj on March 01, 2012, 11:29:00 AM
A short PL may be the trick here, but I wouldnt put in a tip wedge based on the profile seen there. The reflex is enough it seems.

dave