Anyone know of a buildalong with john's classic thronged handle wrap?
Yes but it was given to me under the premise that I would not pass it along.
Thanks bear. Very interesting. You did a very fine job.
I myself am not too impressed by anyone that hoards knowledge in this hobby, no matter if its the way someone back in the day tempered a piece of bamboo, or wrapped thier handles.
IMO, its poor for the hobby and says much about the folks hoarding, no matter what thier name is.
Just noticed another post on paleo by true mentor Gordon.
QuoteOriginally posted by beetlebailey1977:
Yes but it was given to me under the premise that I would not pass it along.
How many bows have you built with this wrap?
Where did you get those small throngs at?
I thought the throng was one peice, but from your posts, it appears to be a two part deal?
I am not sure if this would be comfortable or not.
Big, I was thinking I saw this done by Gordonof!
I have a Osage English style longbow built by Steve Martin, of Kentucky, with the same style grip. Feels real good in the hand!
I have not built any bows with this wrap yet but I plan to.
QuoteOriginally posted by frank bullitt:
Big, I was thinking I saw this done by Gordonof!
I have a Osage English style longbow built by Steve Martin, of Kentucky, with the same style grip. Feels real good in the hand!
I am going to PM him. He has always been very helpful.
QuoteOriginally posted by beetlebailey1977:
I have not built any bows with this wrap yet but I plan to.
Actually not referring to you, but to Mr. Strunk for his wishes no one repeat his style. After reading the big deal in another forum with one person who put it out there, not sure if I want it on a bow of mine.
I might just try to reproduce vanilla's style. He did a fine job and I like his.
hey big.
check out tandy leather- you might have to mail order them in. the english term is thong
( kinda just like the undies YOU wear!!! :saywhat: )
but you guys south of the line refer to it as lace- well whatever!!, tandy will certianally have it.
if you cant get any i can cut you some thin chrome tan cowhide or goathide lace/thong and send you some.( same as the roo- just local leather- not tooo many roo up here!)
how long do you need it.
Tandy will also sell bags of offcuts, for handle wraps etc. and some nifty lacing needles too.
John Strunk sells his bows it is not a hobby to him. If I was a pro and had a proprietary method I don't think I would want everyone to know it either.
QuoteOriginally posted by rainman:
John Strunk sells his bows it is not a hobby to him. If I was a pro and had a proprietary method I don't think I would want everyone to know it either.
Lots of folks sell thier bows. But I think many are missing the big picture here. We are talking about a handle wrap. Just take a second to think about that. You use the word proprietary. I own several patents myself, and that is proprietary. I have yet to see a patent by the man on this handle. Hense not as you say proprietary.
After seeing all this, it doesn't matter. If the man doesn't want his signature on one of my bows, I won't put it on any of my bows.
I'd say it's a mute point at this juncture. I've seen so many pictures of this style handle wrap that it's no big secret now. It doesn't matter if your Bear Archery, or Big Jim Archery if you put your product out there for the world to see somebody will utilize some part of your design or one of your characteristic fascimilies on their own bows, simply because they like it. If your using it on your own stuff and not marketing it, then I don't see what it hurts to use it. It is afterall just a handle wrapping technique and not the next smart phone technology.....right?
If I were to use this handle wrap design, I would simply do like Vanillabear did and make referrence to it as "A variation of the Strunk handle wrap, with my own twist on it" and I think that recognition is a nice way to show respect for the man who came up with it.
I use Eric Krewson's gizmo and than him for it everytime I use it, but I don't intend to steal his design and market it. Same as with his signature bamboo finish, I'm going to use it and let anybody who asks me about it know where I got the idea from. That's just courtesy and respect for another man's talents and putting his ideas out there.
Just my 2 cents.
I'm not one to follow others. Came up with my own grip and stitch and like it a lot. Looks like many other you see, nothing special, but I did devolepe and refine it myself over the years. Try putting your own stamp on things.........Art
PS And before you ask, I don't know why I posted in this thread! :bigsmyl:
Mine are all ugly as hell with old couch and coat leather, that way nobody wants to copy them! They sure feel good in my hand though. Johns grip looks quite easy to "rip off" in my opinion. I could make all my grips like his, but Im betting I wont out sell him if I wanted to.
QuoteOriginally posted by Art B:
I'm not one to follow others. Came up with my own grip and stitch and like it a lot. Looks like many other you see, nothing special, but I did devolepe and refine it myself over the years. Try putting your own stamp on things.........Art
PS And before you ask, I don't know why I posted in this thread! :bigsmyl:
Your right. My grips are not fancy, but I like em. And even if I don't like em, they are all mine. Post anytime you like Art. I always respect and read your posts.
QuoteOriginally posted by fujimo:
hey big.
check out tandy leather- you might have to mail order them in. the english term is thong
( kinda just like the undies YOU wear!!! :saywhat: )
but you guys south of the line refer to it as lace- well whatever!!, tandy will certianally have it.
if you cant get any i can cut you some thin chrome tan cowhide or goathide lace/thong and send you some.( same as the roo- just local leather- not tooo many roo up here!)
how long do you need it.
Tandy will also sell bags of offcuts, for handle wraps etc. and some nifty lacing needles too.
thanks, wow that stuff is expensive. Thanks again
Looking at the thong/lace/strips of leather that's wrapped around the shelf I have a question. Does it affect arrow flight at all or is it just an addition to the strike plate/rest? I do like the looks of that wrap!
Well said Rainman,
Skilled craftsman handed things down to apprentices they Chose. Often not giving away every secret. Nothing wrong with having a signature technique not shared with strangers.
Jeff
You did a good job on the handle wrap VB, I don't care who came up with it first. Maybe I shouldn't back any more bows with bamboo since it wasn't originally my idea?
QuoteOriginally posted by vanillabear?:
Thanks Semo. Let's face it, we're all just tweaking some other guy's idea a little bit .......pretty sure no one here invented the wooden bow and arrow.
Exactly, I'm glad somebody understands the point I was trying to make.
You were able to build your bamboo backed bow with help from a lot of people on this site SEMO. Most people would attribute the way we build bamboo backed bows today to Dean Torges and his video. He sold the information or gave it to close friends. Now everyone has the information but I'm sure Dean still has tips he only gives to people he knows. I know there are tips on the video that a lot of people who haven't bought the video are missing out on. So who is right?
no one and everyone!
So rainman anyone one builds a bow and uses another bowyers design for a pattern is in the wrong? Casting a pretty wide net there and stepping on alot of toes here.
Did'nt say that at all. A bowyer who does this for money should'nt be expected to give away his secrets. If he wants to that is fine. And there are a lot of great bowyers who do this in one on one or group situations like Gary Davis, J. D. Jones and John Strunk. If they ask someone they give a tip to, not to pass it along I have no problem with that.
I agree that if you dont want your methods to get out and be used you should patent them. That would be the only way.
so hard, and costly to patent a process- and difficult to police. and the slightest variance nullifies the patent.
besides,copying would be a pretty high form of flattery, if the originator was not feeling it in the pocket book of course.
and in this specific case a handle wrap is hardly going to matter- but hey this is Strunks idea- and he gets to do with it whatever he pleases.
Just having a patent doesn't save you. You have to have the resources to go after someone legally that stole your patented idea once they steal it. And if you don't have the resources yourself and expect the thief to pay the cost of you going after him he must have some value because you can't get blood from a turnip. Patents really only work when a lot of money is involved. There is not a lot of money in this field. Most of us are turnips.
I think the whole discussion has just gotten to the point of being ridiculous. If a guy doesn't want anybody to put his handle wrap on their bow then he should have locked up all his bows with this style wrap on them and never let them see the light of day.
I'm not taking anything away from the man because I don't even know him. I'm sure he must be one hell of a bowyer with the way everybody keeps carrying on about him.
Regardless, it's just a different way to wrap leather around the handle of a bow and that's it, nothing more.....nothing less.
It's not any different than somebody really liking the way another guy stains his bamboo backing and decides to do that on his next BBO.
I have no desire to wrap my bow handles that way, but treating it like it's the lost arc or the holy grail is just a bit much.......don't ya think?
I saw this same discussion over on PA and it got extremely heated and I think the mods ended up shutting it down, so I'll move away from this one before it gets to that point.
It doesn't really matter how many ways I try to explain my position on it anyway because somebody is just going to keep punching holes in it. So you all can keep debating it until your blue in the face.
I'm also a turnip by the way Jason. :readit:
hear hear, SEMO,
wise words!!!
I'm a turnip too. I'll also take any bow I like and trace the profile onto a form and copy it exactly.
Art, good post! :) Jawge