I've already went through the build alongs and Yes.....there are several, but nothing on a plain ol BBO simple build along with pics. There's a couple that have links to pics on another site and I have to keep jumping back and forth. Then my train of thought is scrambled by the time I actually get to look at the pics. :knothead:
Dang Chris here you done gone and gave me a complex, I started tillering a bamboo backed hickory today. I have beentaking pictures all the way through just in case I was gonna do a build along and now you made me feel inferior because it is not osage....... LOL oh well I think I will do it anyway.
(shhhhhh don't tell anyone I have a osage stave finish drying in my hot box that I just happen to have a hickory back done sanded for)
Try Forrest's web site he has a bamboo IPE that will work for osage I have used the same build along for hickory before click here (http://poorfolkbows.com/ipe1.htm)
There is, Dean Torges has one!
The reason the build alongs you are looking at have links is because they are generally 3 years old or moe. I would recommend Dean's video to anybody. It will answer most of your questions and you can watch as many times as you want.
Thanks for the link Jeff! I will read through it thoroughly. If you have been taking pictures of the BBH you should post your results and do a build along Jeff. Even if it's not Osage I think the process would still be very similar?
QuoteOriginally posted by PEARL DRUMS:
There is, Dean Torges has one!
Where? Got a link?
Rainman, I was looking for a build along for free not something I have to purchase.
If/when I make it through mine, I'll post my results for everybody to see "With Pictures" you don't have to open links to view.
I will loan you my copy for a month or so after Im done memorizing it you tight wad!!!
sometimes its good to learn on your own :)
Listen to Horseapple, he knows what he is talking about.
Go to the build along forum, Buck Buckley tri lam build along.
I do learn on my own, I've taught myself how to do everything just based on what I've read and seen. Then I take from it what I need and make it my own. I'd rather see some build alongs and get an idea of how I should approach it first rather than screw up a good piece of bamboo, then what have I learned? Oh....maybe don't do that anymore? Ok, then I'm out a good piece of bamboo and more money. That's just just plain stupid.
No, I think I'll research it first and gather all I can then maybe I'll get it right or at least close to right the first time rather than screw up a bunch of material. :knothead:
Thanks for all the advice, but if I'm just going to get bone headed responses like that then don't bother offering them.
Thanks Jeff, Chris, and Scott. That's some real answers that will help me out.
Chris I appreciate the offer, I'll probably have one in the works before I get to the video. I'm halfway into it at this point.
Also in the build along forum Bamboo backed Ipe by Apex predator. You prep the bamboo the same way.
SEMO, I assume that you have seen this buildalong, but thought I would post it anyway. I am not sure if you will find it helpful or not.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=40;t=000110
Dang bud. Havin' a bad night or somethin'? Not sure how many buildalongs you have authored but they are a pain in the butt. I used to have a BBO one and horseapple had the classic years ago when BBOs were the fad right after Dean's video. But that was almost 10 years ago and both his and my websites from that time have bit the dust.
Honestly man, you've been on this site less than a year and you are coppin' some major 'tude to some really great people who have been here from the start. I suggest a retraction. I mean come on; beeotchin' cause you want something free and then complaining when it ain't good enough for you. Dang!
Doesn't matter how long you been here John, still doesn't excuse anybody from saying whatever they want to anybody they want to.
I was asking for some help in the right direction, not discouragement. Your one to talk yourself, I've seen you verbally attack people for losing an animal and for no good reason.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
I thought that's what this forum was for, to ask questions and get serious answers?
I haven't been on here long but I do enjoy the vast knowledge of all the Bowyers new or old. I agree we are here to share our bows, knowledge, or whatever. I don't think we need to belittle the other members for asking questions. Lets get past the BS and make some bows
My bbo repair thread is really a bbo build-along with all the steps except glueing on a handle.
nice post of buildalong wes.v
i liked it and it gave me some ideas.
thanks
I have Dean's video also. I probably watched it 50 times when making my first couple of BBO bows. Took notes and watched it some more. It is well worth the purchase price. Or I could loan you mine.
QuoteOriginally posted by Eric Krewson:
My bbo repair thread is really a bbo build-along with all the steps except gluing on a handle.
Yes it is Eric, thank you for the reminder. I have that one saved to my favorites. I'll be studying it closely. I had actually forgot about that one.
Thanks for the info guys, this is what I was looking for. I guess I need to get my hands on Dean's video? Thanks for the offer Bglass, that's awful nice of ya.
I'm too far into this BBO build right now to stop so I'll go ahead and finish it, see how it turns out. I think I've done everything right so far? I am having a hard time with thinning the boo down on a belt sander, it seems to take forever. Maybe I need to step up to a larger grit belt? I remember seeing that mentioned in the Tri-lam build along. I wish I had a fancy belt sander like he has, but I make due with what I've got. I've always had to do things the hard way with what I have available to me even if it meant taking an extra step around something to get from point A to point B.
I got a real good tip from the poor boys build along about the handle separating if you don't watch the fades.
Eric- Do you round the corners on the boo to keep splinters down? I left my boo backing wide enough to accommodate doing that after it's glued up.
If you do round the edges what method do you use? File, sandpaper, or other?
Thanks for the help guys, I sure appreciate it. I didn't mean to sound ungrateful in the beginning of this post, because I am very grateful to have your all's advice, tips, and help. I just get a bit testy when I feel like I'm being talked down to.
I'm really hoping this one makes it cause it's the perfect length and it's already looking pretty sweet.
There is a huge difference between reproof and abuse.
Quote"Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee." (Prov 9:8)
Do you have pictures of what you have so far? In Dean's DVD he preps the boo which gets it to a sharp edge on the sides, traces the pattern of the bow using a template, cuts out the boo on a band saw then thins it further with hand tools, then uses Urac 185 in glue up on the wood that is wider than the boo. After the glue has cured he cuts the wood on a band saw using the boo for a guide.
QuoteOriginally posted by b.glass:
Do you have pictures of what you have so far? In Dean's DVD he preps the boo which gets it to a sharp edge on the sides, traces the pattern of the bow using a template, cuts out the boo on a band saw then thins it further with hand tools, then uses Urac 185 in glue up on the wood that is wider than the boo. After the glue has cured he cuts the wood on a band saw using the boo for a guide.
That's about what I did, same concept but in reverse order. I already had the limb profile roughed out on my Osage blank because originally it wasn't going to have a backing of any kind. So the boo was an after thought and the Osage limbs were already near profile dimensions and I left the boo about 1/8" wider than the limbs. Very similar to what Eric did in his bamboo backing repair along.
I've taken some pics all along the way, but like Eric I didn't get any of the actual glue up because I had the stuff all over my hands by the time it was clamped up. I did get the before and after. I'll post them later if you want to see them or I could email them to ya. Just PM me your email address and I'll send you what I have so far.
Semo...I agree with you I learn on my own but I like to get as much information as I can from as many people as possible. Short of seeing some one do something pictures can be the best thing, if they are done properly. Also it is so easy for someone to take written words the wrong way and get offended.
semo, i prep my boo by hand using a rasp. i got a UBR10 rasp from 3rivers archery. it makes short work of the boo. of course a planer would be much faster and easier but i don't have one. i take the boo to a sharp edge on the sides like b.glass mentions in the above post. then i use a scraper to get it perfect for gluing to the osage. i am also one who bought deans video. don
QuoteOriginally posted by don s:
semo, i prep my boo by hand using a rasp. i got a UBR10 rasp from 3rivers archery. it makes short work of the boo. of course a planer would be much faster and easier but i don't have one. i take the boo to a sharp edge on the sides like b.glass mentions in the above post. then i use a scraper to get it perfect for gluing to the osage. i am also one who bought deans video. don
I thought about that myself Don, but since it was my first time prepping boo I was afraid I'd pull up a bunch of splinters. I can see now how easy it is to get a bad splinter in the backing even though you think you did everything right. When I was sanding the edges after I cut out the rough profile the splinters just started climbing off the edges everywhere. That kinda freaked me out a little bit so I cleaned them off with some sand paper before glue up.
Do you rasp the edges round later on before tillering? When you have the profile all prettied up? I doubt that you would leave them square.
Any thoughts, advice, or tips on that would be much appreciated.
Wes that was a great link, thanks Dude. Semo ya got my e-mail addy, ask any questions ya need dude. Or I'll give ya my cell number and you can call me. Not saying I am an expert at BBO bows, but been building them for 8 years.
Other than that guys, Let's keep these threads respectful. It's a Tradgang Rule...
Hey Semo, if Roy Pm's ya his cell # maybe we could do a "Traveling Cell Advisor" and PM his info to a couple hundred folks who sign up...
:biglaugh: :biglaugh:
LOL Lee:)
Cheers Roy!
life gives you nothing for free, my post was an honest one, the internet has givin great advise, ask Dean Torges the same ? and he'll tell you the same, get out and make some shavings, the best teacher is learning on your own, wasn't intended to be harse, see the smiley face? Been alot of bamboo build alongs in the past, unfortunantly most have gone away, seeing that your from MO I would recommend making Mojam this yr. Cheers bud.
Semo is from MO? Well that explains it:) Think I'll call him Elmo from here on out:)
QuoteOriginally posted by SEMO_HUNTER:
QuoteOriginally posted by don s:
semo, i prep my boo by hand using a rasp. i got a UBR10 rasp from 3rivers archery. it makes short work of the boo. of course a planer would be much faster and easier but i don't have one. i take the boo to a sharp edge on the sides like b.glass mentions in the above post. then i use a scraper to get it perfect for gluing to the osage. i am also one who bought deans video. don
I thought about that myself Don, but since it was my first time prepping boo I was afraid I'd pull up a bunch of splinters. I can see now how easy it is to get a bad splinter in the backing even though you think you did everything right. When I was sanding the edges after I cut out the rough profile the splinters just started climbing off the edges everywhere. That kinda freaked me out a little bit so I cleaned them off with some sand paper before glue up.
Do you rasp the edges round later on before tillering? When you have the profile all prettied up? I doubt that you would leave them square.
Any thoughts, advice, or tips on that would be much appreciated. [/b]
semo, yes i do round the edges of the boo just a little bit. i don't go nuts. about the radius of a pea (i saw or read it explained that way once or twice). you can keep the boo from splintering by pulling the rasp from back to belly side on the boo. that way your pulling the fibers down with the rasp as opposed to running the rasp from belly to back and pulling all the fibers up. don't use a coarse rasp for rounding the boos edge. just use a file that you would use for sharpening your broadheads. all you want to do is knock the corner down at this point. the most important thing to remember is draw the file or rasp from back to belly. pulling it is easier than pushing it. don
Good advice Don. I also rasp from the back of the bow towards the belly. But not untill the boo is glued on the wood core, and the bow is cut out to the shape of the bow/boo. I run my back facets about 1/4 inch down into the wood core, and taper them to less as I get to the limb tips.
Don- That's how I do all my Osage too, from back to belly. Thanks for the tips.
Roybert- Thank you my friend, I've already sent you an email with questions attached. Thanks in advance for the help.
Lee- I already gave Roybert's # to my 90yr. old grandmother, she said she was looking for a young man to escort her to Bingo and VFW meetin's. :thumbsup:
QuoteOriginally posted by Roy from Pa:
Good advice Don. I also rasp from the back of the bow towards the belly. But not untill the boo is glued on the wood core, and the bow is cut out to the shape of the bow/boo. I run my back facets about 1/4 inch down into the wood core, and taper them to less as I get to the limb tips.
Roy, you wouldn't happen to have any close ups of the limbs that you could post here would ya?
Something that shows what your profile edges look like maybe? I know how I like to work the edges of my Osage, but never worked with a backing of any kind before. I guess it's pretty much the same from what I've read so far?
QuoteOriginally posted by Roy from Pa:
Good advice Don. I also rasp from the back of the bow towards the belly. But not untill the boo is glued on the wood core, and the bow is cut out to the shape of the bow/boo. I run my back facets about 1/4 inch down into the wood core, and taper them to less as I get to the limb tips.
roy, thats what i'm refering to also. at this point my boo is glued up and the tillering will begin. i round my boo edges before i tiller. don
Horseapple I fully agree with you. I may myself just try to overload myself with written and spoken knowledge then I put it all to the actual test and learn. It sure helps a lot more than figuring it all out on your lonesome.
semo, heres some pics of the edges of a bbo. don (http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h356/donny-szymanski/bbo%20backing%20pics/bbobackingpics001.jpg) (http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h356/donny-szymanski/bbo%20backing%20pics/bbobackingpics002.jpg) (http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h356/donny-szymanski/bbo%20backing%20pics/bbobackingpics003.jpg)
a few more. hope it helps. don (http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h356/donny-szymanski/bbo%20backing%20pics/bbobackingpics004.jpg) (http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h356/donny-szymanski/bbo%20backing%20pics/bbobackingpics005.jpg) (http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h356/donny-szymanski/bbo%20backing%20pics/bbobackingpics006.jpg)
That looks real nice Don, I hope I can get results that good. I just took it out of the caul and it looks like everything stuck just fine. I'm leaving it alone until tomorrow then I'll start working on it again.
Thanks for the pics.
you bet, take your time. don
Is see what you're asking now. Dean traps the back of his bows on the DVD.
Bona- Mine will probably end up trapped as well cause I left the boo a little bit thick. Not intentionally, but it just turned out that way. It was getting thin on the edges while sanding it down and I thought I had better stop, but after sanding the edges this morning and removing the excess Urac it appears to be plenty thick. I shouldn't have any problem getting the poundage I want that's for sure.
I use a 36 grit belt for thinning bamboo.
I don't know why. That is a good question. :) Jawge
QuoteIf anybody knows where I can find a plain jane bamboo backed Osage......Simple build along please let me know or post here.
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I got a copy of Dean Torges video you can have if you pay shipping and apologize to some of the people here that spend a lot of time sharing and helping us newbies.
Good luck....but wow! :nono:
It's already been settled Brock. I think it's best just left alone at this point.
Thanks for the video offer, I appreciate that.
Roy helped me through pm's on a boo backed jatoba. Turned out real nice and was my first good shooter. (thanks Roy)
I have a bbo that John Scifres built and it is a super sweet shooter so I think I would take any advice he has to offer as well.
good luck with semo them bbo's are sweet.