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Title: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: razorsharptokill on July 13, 2010, 01:53:00 PM
I'm doing a hickory backed osage board longbow. How much reflex is recommended and how far down the limb should I start? Should I heat temper it?
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: Pat B on July 13, 2010, 03:49:00 PM
Jim, on the hickory backed osage bows I built I put in about 3"- 3 1/2" of reflex from handle to tip. I pre tillered the osage first so it would bend in a nice even bend so after glue up I had a nice even bend to the bow. I usually ended up with about 1" of reflex or flat after shot in. If you try to add much more reflex you'll usually end up with more set.
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: red hill on July 13, 2010, 04:34:00 PM
Pat, did you tiller the osage before adding the hickory?  
Jim, how wide is your osage bow?
Stan
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: razorsharptokill on July 13, 2010, 05:52:00 PM
1 3/4"
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: razorsharptokill on July 13, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
How much if I was using boo?
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: Pat B on July 13, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
Jim, You can do 1 3/8" from the fades out 6" to 8" on osage with a hickory backing. Taper from there to 1/2" tips for now. When everything is lined up, reduce to 3/8" or less. What length are you working with and what is your draw length?
 Stan, I tillered it to bend evenly but not a final tiller for bend and weight. I guess you can get the same effect by tapering the belly with a band saw first. I prefer to use a rasp and scraper.
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: razorsharptokill on July 13, 2010, 06:05:00 PM
28" draw and 64" ntn. Would like 50lbs @28"
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: Pat B on July 13, 2010, 07:28:00 PM
Perfect. You will love the way it shoots. Make it 1 3/8" wide at the fades and out 6"to 8" then taper to the tips. You could go more than 50# if you wanted.
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: Osagetree on July 13, 2010, 07:40:00 PM
Jim, can I ask where you got your osage board? I have some hickory backing and would like to use it up.
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: razorsharptokill on July 14, 2010, 08:42:00 AM
Thanks Pat.

Osage, I use a sawmill in Salina Oklahoma that specializes in hardwoods found here in Oklahoma. It is called Grandriver Hardwoods. He's not doing any internet business for a while but I could go up there and pick you out a board on any Friday if you want.
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: red hill on July 14, 2010, 09:43:00 PM
Thanks, Pat.  Good luck, Jim.  Sounds like we're working on a similar project.  
Stan
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 16, 2010, 12:37:00 AM
If you try to add much more reflex you'll usually end up with more set.  

Why is that Pat?
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: Pat B on July 16, 2010, 12:57:00 AM
Roy, it over stresses the wood. You are stretching the backing and compression the belly just to bring the bow to a flat profile and even more getting to brace. So by the time you get it to full draw the wood is really stressed and, because it is a natural material it has limits. For a typical hunting weight bow it is not necessary to add more reflex.You will get better performance from the proper design for the woods used and good tillering.
 With a lot of reflex the stave is unstable to work on too. The sideways leverage can lead to twisting and adds an uncertain element to early tillering.
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 16, 2010, 06:17:00 AM
Ok thanks Pat.
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: red hill on August 12, 2010, 07:48:00 PM
Jim, How's this osage bow coming along. Mine bit the dust. I'm hoping your's made a bow.
Stan
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: razorsharptokill on August 13, 2010, 10:54:00 AM
Haven't had time to work on it really. Too damn hot too!

I do have it roughly shaped but need to get it to floor  tiller stage.
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: razorsharptokill on August 15, 2010, 03:02:00 PM
Ok... I just had to suck it up and work on this bow. It's not as hot as it has been.

I have it to a heavy floor tiller now and  the tips tapered down to about 1/2".

I roughed it in with a bandsaw, then went to the belt sander, then to the disk sander to even the belly out.

Now to the scraper.
Title: Re: How much reflex in an osage board?
Post by: razorsharptokill on August 16, 2010, 11:00:00 AM
Looks like this bow is going to be a good shooter. Osage never ceases to amaze me with its strength and flexibility.

I screwed one tip up filing the string nocks so I lost an inch off that limb. It was an inch longer before so now both limbs are the same length.

I have it pulling 40 @ 20" I'll get some pics posted tonight. Here are the pics.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/keyman/CIMG1715.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/keyman/CIMG1716.jpg)