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Title: Anyone use nitrocellulose for finish??
Post by: SteveR on June 12, 2010, 04:00:00 PM
Just wondering.  As a luthier for quite a few years nitro is a breeze to get good results with at least for me.  Not that friendly with the vapors and all but if care is taken gives a very resilient and beautiful finish with much less work than varnishes...at least on musical instruments.  

My question would be is it flexible enough for a recurve bow?
Title: Re: Anyone use nitrocellulose for finish??
Post by: ckanous on June 13, 2010, 09:00:00 AM
I have used to refinish some bows but its not very tough at all, scratches easily. I'm assuming your talking about Nitrocellulose Lacquer.
Title: Re: Anyone use nitrocellulose for finish??
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 19, 2011, 09:44:00 AM
i saw this topic while doing a search on bow finishes and just had to comment ...

nitrocellulose lacquer is the WORST "finish" for anything.  if offers ZERO protection against water and all other liquids.  it's so horrible a clear coat that it shouldn't even be called a "finish".  don't even consider its use for bows, let alone fine acoustic instruments.  yes, i'm a luthier who's been building and finishes instruments for over 40 years.  trust me on this.
Title: Re: Anyone use nitrocellulose for finish??
Post by: macbow on March 19, 2011, 12:27:00 PM
I agree that it would not work. I used to do arrows with it and after a wile they would show all the cracks. If left under the leaves for a day it was a disaster.
Ron
Title: Re: Anyone use nitrocellulose for finish??
Post by: TimB on March 19, 2011, 07:14:00 PM
They used to use Nitrocellulose dope to finish fabric covered aircraft. It is lacquer based and can't be much different that what you use on instruments. They stopped using it because of the above reasons and the fact that it's very flammable. I guess fire isn't a big concern with bows now that I think about it. Anyway, these days we use Butyrate for aircraft finish. That might work on a bow.

I'm an aircraft mech. and I work with a lot of vintage planes.  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone use nitrocellulose for finish??
Post by: JamesV on March 21, 2011, 11:36:00 AM
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Title: Re: Anyone use nitrocellulose for finish??
Post by: KENDALL TECHAU on March 21, 2011, 12:40:00 PM
I know it was used as a finish by Gibson and Fender Guitars and they still use it on their Vintage Reissue models. I've heard that it allows the wood to breath and thats why it was used as a guitar finish. It's very touchy about sudden temp changes. I have a 1965 Fender bass that finish checked right in front of my eyes one time, years ago, when I brought it in bar from the back of our cold bus and opened the case up right away.Lesson learned! Not too good for a bow finish!!
Title: Re: Anyone use nitrocellulose for finish??
Post by: AkDan on March 22, 2011, 07:06:00 AM
every gasket lacquer sold is a nitro based lacquer...just something to ponder.   You can also buy a nitro based lacquer from home depot or lowes.  

I've had the same experience with arrows, crack city!
Title: Re: Anyone use nitrocellulose for finish??
Post by: Lgraham on April 02, 2011, 11:53:00 AM
I agree that nitrocellulose lacquer is no good. I am a custom cabinetmaker and I have seen it fail over and over. It doesn't hold up to changes in temperature or moisture at all. Just the wood fluctuating with the seasons can crack it because it is not flexible.
Title: Re: Anyone use nitrocellulose for finish??
Post by: copicasso on April 02, 2011, 01:52:00 PM
I am a painting contractor and I would not use regular lacquer on anything that will spend a considerable amount of time outside or that has contact with moisture. There are many more finishes that will hold up better in the elements.
Title: Re: Anyone use nitrocellulose for finish??
Post by: Don Stokes on April 02, 2011, 08:23:00 PM
Gasket lacquer is nitrocellulose, and it works well for arrow shafts if it is the right consistency. If it is too thick, it cracks. I've used it for years successfully as an arrow finish. When it gets too thick, I thin it with acetone. It's better for it to be too thin than too thick.