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Title: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: 4est trekker on June 02, 2010, 11:48:00 PM
SEE PAGE 2 FOR THE ANSWER I FOUND TO MY OWN QUESTION    :)    

Does anybody know a good technique for replicating James Parker's dye jobs (Huntworthy Bows)?  I've pasted the link to the page containing the pic I'm interested in.  Scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page to the bottom left picture.  I'm most interested in recreating the black/maroon colored dye job.  Thanks for the help.

  http://huntworthyproductions.com/bowkits.html
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: Pat B on June 03, 2010, 12:20:00 AM
Forest, for $20 James will send you a dyed bamboo backing strip...or you could contact James and ask him. Tell him Ugly sent you. d;^)
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: robtattoo on June 03, 2010, 01:01:00 AM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/robtattoo/Knght-Breed015.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/robtattoo/Knght-Breed026.jpg)

I don't know if this may help you. It's the first bow I've ever built so I'm by no means an expert n the subject!
I sanded all the 'shine' off the bamboo backing & firstly dyed it all over with Medium Brown, Fiebings leather dye (Fiebings comes in about a million colors, so you could certainly get a maroon) then I overdyed the tips & riser section with Black fiebings. I just dampened a cloth with the dye & 'swiped' it to getthe fade effect.
Once dry, I sanded the edges to create a nice light border. Be careful not to get dye on the edge of the backing if you can avoid it. It soaks trough too far & you ca't sand it out  :(
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: robtattoo on June 03, 2010, 01:05:00 AM
Here's a link to the thread with all the pics (If you're interested!)

http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=088775
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: 4est trekker on June 03, 2010, 08:06:00 AM
Thank, all.  Pat, I've contacted James but haven't gotten a reply.  Is e-mail the best way?  By the way, he makes a ridiculously nice bow, doesn't he?
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: rainman on June 03, 2010, 08:10:00 AM
Go into the Topic Archives build alongs.  Look up Static bamboo build along by Horseapple.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: greyhawk39 on June 03, 2010, 11:18:00 AM
You can do like we did on my son bow.We used a air brush,check it out on the father son hail merry build along on this page.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: John Scifres on June 03, 2010, 02:41:00 PM
You need to just play with it.  Get some leather or aniline dyes and just go at it.  You can get the finish you want.  It really isn't even that hard.  Your bow is your pallette.  Create.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: gordonf on June 03, 2010, 08:38:00 PM
I use leather dye and feather colors together by rubbing the colors out at the transitions with a rag. It's not that difficult.
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Post by: Sam Harper on June 03, 2010, 10:44:00 PM
John, I wish it were as easy as you say.  I must be an idiot.  I have a whole butt ton of scrap bamboo that I have experimented with but have not been able to do the fiddle back design I've seen some people do or anything else eye-catching.  I've used both leather dyes and aniline dye.  I wish somebody would post a youtube video showing different techniques.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: Pat B on June 03, 2010, 10:55:00 PM
Forest, give him a call. His home phone number is on his site.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: 4est trekker on June 03, 2010, 11:01:00 PM
Thanks, Pat.  Will do!
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: rainman on June 05, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
If you can make MOJAM there are several guys that can show you how.  Including John Sturdevant, J.D. Jones, and Tim Ott.  Basically stain the bow, then wrap a Tee shirt around finger dip in stain and apply in fiddleback pattern.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: Bob Barnes on June 06, 2010, 07:40:00 AM
James has to use a sprayer on his bows as there are lots of black 'spots' on the bow...it does look great.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: 4est trekker on June 06, 2010, 10:02:00 AM
Just got off the phone with James....what a guy!  Super nice, incredibly talented bowyer, and a joy to talk to.  He's going to spray the bamboo for me.  He said, "Shoot...dun't take but five minutes!" I said, "Sold!"

Thanks for the help, all.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: Pat B on June 06, 2010, 12:45:00 PM
James is a great person and friend, very nice and very talented but butt ugly! d;^)
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: Sam Harper on June 07, 2010, 12:09:00 AM
After reading about James spraying the bow, I went in the garage and tried it.  I poured some of my aniline dye in a spray bottle and sprayed it on a scrap piece of bamboo.  I just couldn't get it to look anything like James' bows look.  I don't know what my problem is.  I wish somebody would post a youtube video showing how they do the different effects--fading from one colour to another, fiddle back design, tiger stripes, and spots.  If I can ever figure out how to do it, I'm going to post a video.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: Bob Barnes on June 07, 2010, 07:06:00 AM
He probably uses an air brush...and if he gets $5 to spray one (cheap) then he might not want everyone to know how he does it...  :)   It's easy to understand since it's the way he makes his living.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: 4est trekker on June 07, 2010, 07:59:00 AM
He charges $25, and he did talk a little about the way he does the tiger stripes.  Way cool!
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: Bob Barnes on June 07, 2010, 08:01:00 AM
Pat-
is there any problem with tru oil causing a tint or color change?  I just ordered a big bottle of it to see how it works on skins...I'm hoping it will fill better than poly and make the back smoother.

thanks,

Bob
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Post by: Pat B on June 07, 2010, 10:52:00 PM
Bob, Tru-Oil does cure out with a slight amber tint. Nothing that will take away from the beauty of the skins, at least IMO
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Post by: Bob Barnes on June 07, 2010, 11:23:00 PM
thanks!  I did 3 skin jobs this weekend and I'm waiting on a big bottle of tru oil to try it...all I have ever used is poly...
Bob
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: Sam Harper on June 08, 2010, 07:41:00 PM
I used to use tru oil to finish my bows.  I stopped using it because I never could get through an entire bottle before it started to coagulate.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: Sam Harper on June 08, 2010, 07:42:00 PM
Also, it wouldn't dry on some woods, like bocote, ipe, cocobola, or anything oily.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: Bob Barnes on June 09, 2010, 12:00:00 PM
maybe with 3 bows with new snakeskin backs I will use most of it before it dries out...but one of them is Ipe so I may have problems with that...
Bob
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: snakewood3 on June 09, 2010, 03:06:00 PM
Use thin CA on the Ipe prior to Tru Oil and it will work fine.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: M60gunner on June 09, 2010, 03:32:00 PM
We use a toner to darken the bamboo fly rods we make.The toner can be had from:  http://www.fultzrods.com   Only downside is it only penatrates about .001 of an inch. So put on a couple of coats of finish before you sand out. We also use Tru-oil as a finish as it goes on easy and can be coated agian in a few hours. Do not use on any silk thread decorations as it turns the thread dark.
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Post by: Pat B on June 09, 2010, 04:50:00 PM
Bob and Sam, I pour a small amount out of the original bottle and into a small container and seal it back up, then store it up side down. This will help keep it from coagulating to quickly.
 I also only buy the 3oz bottles. I bought a bigger one once and ended up throwing most of it away because it began to coagulate. I can finish 6 or 8 bows out of a small bottle with 5 to 6 coats.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: Bob Barnes on June 09, 2010, 10:00:00 PM
I have used quite a bit out of an 8 oz bottle today...4 good coats on 3 new skinned backs... I plan to let them dry a day and then sand them with some very fine paper or 0000 steel wool to remove any remaining roughness before a final coat...or two.  I like it so far.  Two of the bows have canebrake skins so the scale pattern is large but the little diamondback seems to be easier to get smooth.
thanks!
-to get this back on the original subject... the best way to dye bamboo is to use leather dye.  dark in the grip and tip areas and another lighter color mid limb...after it sets a little a little rag with some denatured alcohol can be used to pull the dark towards the lighter color creating a blend.
Title: Re: How To Dye Bamboo?...ANSWER ON PAGE 2!!!
Post by: 4est trekker on August 23, 2010, 09:05:00 PM
I am editing some of James' video for a couple of buildalong tutorials he's doing.  I found out exactly how he does his fantastic bamboo dye jobs: he uses a mouth atomizer.  Very cool (and cheap!) little thing that you can see here:  

http://www.warmtips.com/20060405.htm