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Title: Billets
Post by: scottm on January 20, 2010, 07:07:00 PM
Whats the best glue to use to glue billets together.Two part epoxy?And with osage should you glue them together green or let them dry first?Thanks Scott
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: DVSHUNTER on January 20, 2010, 07:09:00 PM
scott I have read here that titebond 3 works well. As to dry, I don't know that one.
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 20, 2010, 08:27:00 PM
URAC 185 and dry wood.
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: Art B on January 20, 2010, 08:37:00 PM
What Roy said!

But you can use the two-ton epoxy in a pinch but not the Tite-bond glue. Just don't get any heat (like when heat straightening or tempering) close to the two-ton epoxy after glue-up or it'll loosen it's bond.........ART
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: ranger 3 on January 20, 2010, 09:20:00 PM
I just made one and I used URAC 185, It fills the gaps if your cuts isn't perfect. See the post (Spliced Osage finished)
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: scottm on January 20, 2010, 09:39:00 PM
Ranger 3 I saw your bow it looks great!Thanks for replies fellas.
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 21, 2010, 08:16:00 AM
I use Urac but Resorcinal works good too, if you don't mind a purple glue line.
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: Shaun on January 21, 2010, 06:11:00 PM
Wood should be dry, Resorcinol glue. The purple glue line will be under the handle wrap and it is as strong as Urac but with added bonus of being water proof.
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: Dano on January 22, 2010, 02:45:00 PM
Tite Bond might work on a splice, if the splice was perfect, most aren't that's why most guys will use Urac or resorcinol, it fills gaps much better.
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 22, 2010, 04:32:00 PM
Now hold on there Dano Ole Boy:) My Z-splices are perfect and I use URAC 185:)  

 (http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/ROY-CHRIS/IMG_5575.jpg)  

Ya just have to lay them out perfect first:)

(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/ROY-CHRIS/IMG_5571.jpg)
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: scottm on January 22, 2010, 06:18:00 PM
Cool Roy thanks for the pics! they always help!Bad news though i doubt my splices will be perfect.But ill do my best!
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 22, 2010, 07:04:00 PM
Scott, clamp your finished billets down flat, and lay a straight edge along the side to line them up straight. Then lay out the Z-splice, and be very carefull when you cut them out, just leaving the lines. Draw your center line first, then measure 4 inches out on each billet and mark that, then connect the dots so to speak:) Just like the last picture above shows. Once cut out, if there are any problems, I use a rasp to get the cuts even closer. There may be tight spots keeping the two pieces from sliding together all the way. Get it snug together and hold it up to a light and take notice where the tight spots are, mark them and use the rasp to gently lower those spots.  Don't worry, my first few Z-splices looked like Ray Charles did them:)

(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/ROY-CHRIS/IMG_5569.jpg)

(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/ROY-CHRIS/IMG_5572.jpg)  

Good idea is to screw a 1 inch piece of aluminum angle to the edge of your work bench, makes clamping things down a snap.

(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/ROY-CHRIS/IMG_5580.jpg)  

(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/ROY-CHRIS/IMG_5579.jpg)
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: scottm on January 22, 2010, 07:20:00 PM
Thanks Roy it will be a while till I get to that stage but Ill sure give it a shot!
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: JF on February 06, 2010, 04:49:00 PM
I have had no failure with 2 part epoxey on fish tail splices. John
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: razorback on February 08, 2010, 09:23:00 AM
Roy that looks great and with care any of us could reproduce your results, with practice. Do you, or anybody else, have similar tricks for splicing staves. They just don't seem to be as accomodating as boards  :)
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: Tom Leemans on February 08, 2010, 09:27:00 AM
I thought it would be good to add that Titebond (carpenter type glues) likes tight joints, whereas epoxies like Urac can fill gaps.
Title: Re: Billets
Post by: Pat B on February 08, 2010, 09:48:00 AM
I've used TBIII for splicing board billets when using a hickory backing and handle riser with good results. For self billets I would use Urac.