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Title: Skinning ?pics added
Post by: 4runr on December 05, 2009, 09:34:00 PM
Adding snakeskin to fiberglass backed bow, can I use TBIII?

Thanks!
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Post by: Pat B on December 05, 2009, 11:02:00 PM
Yes!
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Post by: 4runr on December 05, 2009, 11:07:00 PM
Thanks Pat!

How ya been?
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Post by: Osagetree on December 06, 2009, 08:24:00 AM
All right Ken,,, where did you get the skins from? What kind are they and what bow are you dressing up?

Yesterday, I was in the creek where you shot the blue toung buck. Someone drove a big ten point down the hill past me. It jumped the creek, through the feild and right past my jeep on the road stopping long enough to look back and laugh at me.

I hate gun season!  :help:
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Post by: Stiks-n-Strings on December 06, 2009, 08:54:00 AM
I done it in a Bear super mag and it worked great. 4 or 5 coats of CA glue over it and it looks they are under glass.
Good luck. Kris
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Post by: Pat B on December 06, 2009, 11:34:00 AM
Doing as well as times will allow, Kenny! d;^)
 I would not use super glue as a finish. I have heard of it cracking over time. I like Tru-Oil. Depending on how smooth you want the surface will depend on the number of layers. I like 5 to 6 coats and don't mind the bit of texture of the scale scars on the back. I don't like shiny smooth finish anyway. Dano has excellent results with Thunderbird(I believe).
All I do is self and all wood bows so others may have different opinions for glass bows.
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Post by: 4runr on December 07, 2009, 10:04:00 PM
Hey Joe. Long time my friend. I need to call you and catch up!

I'll use Thunderbird over it. I just use a arisol spray unit and it works great for me.

I have a '59 Bear Grizzly that some dummy cut the tips off of. I put new Phenolic tips on it and got a set of D'back skins from Mike Yancy. Goin for somethin a little different.
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Post by: Pat B on December 07, 2009, 10:53:00 PM
Don't forget the pics!
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Post by: mikieg on December 08, 2009, 12:15:00 AM
i am lookin for a couple canebreaks for my bow. i have a dozen 55-60# purple heart footed shafts to trade for em if any one is interested.
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Post by: Jason Scott on December 08, 2009, 10:35:00 AM
4runr, can you explain what the arisol spray unit is and where to get one? I don't have a compressor. Do you thin the thunderbird for this unit?
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Post by: Dano on December 08, 2009, 11:17:00 AM
Jason, you can get canned propelent for airbrushes, works fine.
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Post by: 4runr on December 08, 2009, 11:20:00 AM
Jason,

It is a "Preval" brand spraygun. A small arisol unit sits on top of a glass jar it comes with. You can buy replacement cans and reuse the jar.
I bought it at a local hardware store paint section. Less than 10 bucks.

I use acetone to thin the Tbird. Tbird recommends a different thinner as well.
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Post by: Dano on December 08, 2009, 03:48:00 PM
Kenny, good luck on your project. You can use regular lacquor thinner with Tbird as well. But the Tbird thinner is hotter, prolly like acetone.
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Post by: 4runr on January 18, 2010, 10:06:00 PM
I glued on the skins on Saturday, got em trimmed and ready for finish. I've read alot about getting the scales off before applying finish. I did that on a set for my son's bow. They were watermoccasin and looked great after removing the scales. This being a set of D'backs, look great with the scales on. None of the scales have slipped or fallen off at this point. Can I leave them and spray the Tbird over top and get good results???

I know I'll have a rougher surface with scales on, I'm OK with that.
Title: Re: Skinning ?pics added
Post by: Pat B on January 19, 2010, 12:04:00 AM
It is not the actual scale as you see on the skin but the part to be shed or covering. The scale design is permanent but it's covering must come off.
 On Eastern Diamondbacks and some Timber Rattlers I've used a steel brush to remove scales but generally on thinner skins like some timber rattlers, copperheads and the Western Rattlers use your hand, an artist eraser, steel wool, duct tape, etc. Whatever works for you, but get them off. They will get cloudy under the finish.
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Post by: 4runr on January 19, 2010, 06:47:00 AM
Thanks Pat.
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Post by: Eric Krewson on January 19, 2010, 07:57:00 AM
Duct tape is my favorite for removing scales, lots of "stickum".

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/bow%20making/snake13.jpg)
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Post by: 4runr on January 19, 2010, 06:36:00 PM
The duct tape worked great, thanks Eric and Pat. Looks like I'm having to use Tru-Oil. Out of Thunderbird and over $60 for a new batch right now is hard to swing.

Pat, how do you get a matte finish with TO. My experience with it has mostly given me a shiney finish. I'm using spray on this time. Can I just buff it with a scotch bright after my final coat? I'll post some pics after a bit, before I start the finish process.
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Post by: 4runr on January 21, 2010, 06:51:00 PM
A little slow with the pics, I know!

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f143/4runr/Shorty59004.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f143/4runr/Shorty59002.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f143/4runr/Shorty59003.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f143/4runr/Shorty59001.jpg)
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Post by: Osagetree on January 22, 2010, 07:18:00 AM
Tips look good with the skin. More pics please!
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Post by: 4runr on January 22, 2010, 07:55:00 AM
Here are a few more Joe.

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f143/4runr/Shorty59011.jpg)
Here's the riser, it's the one in my hand. The other one is a 53# '59 Grizzly, it is PRISTENE, only had finish issues.

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f143/4runr/Shorty59014.jpg)
Here you can see the I-beam construction of the riser.

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f143/4runr/Shorty59017.jpg)
New tips on both.

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f143/4runr/Shorty59018.jpg)
Two coats of finish on the skins so far.
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Post by: Osagetree on January 22, 2010, 08:10:00 AM
Just awsome! Too bad they are not lefty! I'd be begging you for one!!!!
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Post by: 59Alaskan on January 22, 2010, 03:36:00 PM
Beautiful work Kenny.  Would love to shoot them some day.
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Post by: 4runr on January 22, 2010, 10:30:00 PM
Your day will be coming soon Colin, real soon!
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Post by: PV on January 23, 2010, 08:27:00 AM
Some fine work Kenny! Really like those tips

For taking the shine off TO I use rattle can spar urethane. One or two light coats sprayed on from a distance of 4-6" lays down a nice matte finish.
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Post by: Eric Krewson on January 23, 2010, 08:35:00 AM
I use tru oil and like PV I give a bow one coat of satin spar urethane as a final touch to have a nice flat finish.
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Post by: PV on January 23, 2010, 08:39:00 AM
A pic of spar over high gloss TB  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Shortbldtr/IMG_0602.jpg)
Title: Re: Skinning ?pics added
Post by: BEN on January 24, 2010, 07:47:00 PM
Sweet looking bows, Kenny!!

when are you coming down to Coshocton again??

Besides, when you make a lefty, you might need someone fairly local to test it, right?  :bigsmyl: