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Title: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 03, 2009, 06:03:00 PM
it's a whole new project for me. Some new things are;

- the powerlam
- the laminated recurves

I want this bow to end up drawing ~55#@28", with a length of 58-60"ntn. The recurves should have such a curve in it that they make contact with the string at braceheight. It should keep a net. reflex of more than 1".

I decided to go for 2 lams, so I could make them thinner and put more recurve in them. The powerlam would be between them, giving more contrast then between the boo and ipé.

this is what I started with;

 (http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding013.jpg)

I cut all parts to length, marking the centre of them on the SIDES, and position one of the boo's nodes exactly in the centre. After that I'll trim the wider lams to the desired width, using the other lams as template.

 (http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding015.jpg)


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Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 03, 2009, 06:11:00 PM
Now I do a little bit on the front taper, to make he laminating easier, and the recurves more even. I use one of these lams as a template for the boo, wich I cut with the jigsaw, mounted in my workmate. AFter that, I reduce the boo with my drawknife, and continue with the beltsander. For this bow, with more extreme curves, I want the boo to be real thin.

I use my newest(sharpest) belts only for boo and softer woods, like maple, as harder woods like ipé dull them real quickly. For these, I use older belts.

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding025.jpg)

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Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 03, 2009, 06:13:00 PM
(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding036.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding038.jpg)
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 03, 2009, 06:18:00 PM
Now for the powerlam and the ipé lams. It's obviously there's some work to do. I start with the core lam, wich I want to be real thin(1/8"). This makes it easier to shape around the powerlam. The belly will keep most of it's thickness at the handle (exept from roughening up the glueing surfaces, but it will be tapered to 1/8" ends aswell. I do this by hand, floortillering them to check if I've correctly tapered them.

the powerlam is shaped by pressing it on the beltsander with a low angle, using a hard, flat piece of wood to press it down. Otherwise you cant get straight, and paperthin fades.

I use my older belts for the ipé, but for the maple powerlam I use a new, sharp belt, wich I also use for boo.


(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding040.jpg)

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Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 03, 2009, 06:24:00 PM
before the glueup, you want to roughen up the lams, and make the fades of your powerlam even better.

I use the beltsander for both, sanding the lams at an angle to create a better glueing surface.

as these lams will be bent pretty far, I round the corners of the belly before the glueup, to keep splinters from lifting. Always do a dryrun before you glue it up! The one I did in this picture wasn't as extreme as the glueup I actually did, though.

 (http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding046.jpg)

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(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding048.jpg)

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Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 03, 2009, 06:32:00 PM
Finally! everything's ready for the glueup. the more complicated your glueup is, the better you want to prepare it. I lay the handle pieced and the powerlam on a piece of plastic foil, wich I'll wrap around it once I put all parts together. This works quickly, keeps your rubberbands clean, but the most important thing is it keeps your lams in place while wrapping.

I like to wrap a bow up-and down, wich I usually need 4 innertubes for, wich are tied together. I wrapped them real tight this time, but I often use a little space between the wrappings.

luckily, the bow left the form in one piece, and everything's looking good! 27hours after the glueing up I removed the wrapping and the foil. I'll continue working on it tomorrow!

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding050.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding051.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding052.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding053.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding054.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding055-1.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding056-1.jpg)


more tomorrow!!!

Nick
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Dano on September 03, 2009, 07:00:00 PM
Great start Nick, I like the shape of the curves.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: SteveD on September 04, 2009, 07:20:00 AM
Very nice.Nice work
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Pat B on September 04, 2009, 09:19:00 AM
Cool Nick.  Looks to be a real shooter.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: sulphur on September 06, 2009, 09:17:00 AM
how did you get it to dry with all that plastic wrap on it??  Looks very cool!!
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: ChristopherO on September 06, 2009, 12:26:00 PM
Good work on it all, so far.  Be interesting to see how much set the limbs take in the tiller stage.  My R/D Boo bows took a set but that was due to inducing too much from the get go.  That was with osage, never tried Ipe, yet.  
Your hand sander clamped in the B&D workbench is the exact set up I've been using.  It works but oh for a good table sander, again.  Mine needs work.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 07, 2009, 04:16:00 PM
thanks guys!

the tons of pictures I still have to post scared me a bit, but I finally found the time to continue.

Sulph, It just works. The wrapping keeps all lams together, and makes the actual rubber-band wrapping much easier.

Christopher, this works pretty well indeed! bought a 36" table sander, but it's powerless with it's 375watts. Really need a better one!
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 07, 2009, 04:24:00 PM
well, after unwrapping I needed to remove the glue, get clean and smooth, so I could check the gluelines. A plane works excelent for this  ;)


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Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 07, 2009, 04:29:00 PM
As you see, the gluelines at the powerlam were pretty bad. Filled them with superglue, but I'm afraid I messed it up. I'll continue, and see what happens.

after the planing, I decided to work on the fades. Roughly cut them with a jigsaw, then continued with my anglegrinder.

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding082.jpg)

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Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 07, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
I then continue with my anglegrinder, untill I archieve the desired shape. After this, I glue up my tipoverlays, using superglue.

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding099.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding117.jpg)

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Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 07, 2009, 04:39:00 PM
now, before finishing the overlays, I reduce the width at the outter limbs,again with my plane. Then I work on the tips, using the anglegrinder, then the a 40grit sanding belt, and an old beltsander-belt. With my tile saw, and then my chainsawfile I make the nockgrooves. The corners are then rounded off with some sandpaper, in this case a old beltsander-belt.

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding109.jpg)

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Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 07, 2009, 04:44:00 PM
for some reason (probably because I didn't want the nocks to splinter) I put a coat of superglue on the tips. At least it looks good! hehe.\\

I decided not to show too much of the tiller, but I used a sharp scraper for it. with the stave clamped in my crappy shaving horse, I work on the belly.

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding138.jpg)

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Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 07, 2009, 04:49:00 PM
before much more work I wanted the handle to be a little smoother,and the boo to look a little smoother. I used the sanding band for the handle, and the scraper for the boo. There's a beautyfull surface below the rind!

and as a cliffhanger; the braced picture!! braced at 5" here.

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding120.jpg)

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(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding146.jpg)

Nick
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Dano on September 07, 2009, 05:25:00 PM
Nick, with the tools you have to work with, you do great work. I love the profile of this bow.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: ChristopherO on September 07, 2009, 07:51:00 PM
That is coming along nicely.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: sulphur on September 07, 2009, 09:34:00 PM
i agree you do great work regardless of tools you have or don't have.  man, what could you do with a fully equipped shop!!
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Focusource on September 07, 2009, 11:01:00 PM
You are quite skilled.  I am enjoying this build-a-long.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Dmaxshawn on September 07, 2009, 11:42:00 PM
looks great for the limited resources you have.  Outstanding craftmanship. Show us more.

Shawn
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: wihill on September 08, 2009, 12:00:00 AM
I can't believe the level of craftsmenship with the the tools you're using Nick - it's just fantastic!!

Almost makes me want to give an all wood bow a shot (heck I'm still working up the nerve to glue up a glass bow!   :D  )
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: pditto613 on September 08, 2009, 04:19:00 AM
It takes great natural talent to what you do the way you do it. You have a lot of great bows ahead of you.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Tom Leemans on September 08, 2009, 10:27:00 AM
If this kid gets a bandsaw, watch out!
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 08, 2009, 11:24:00 AM
thanks for the kind words!

as you obviously noticed, I'm poorly equipped  ;)  But that bandsaw's coming!! saved quite a bit for it, hope to find a nice powerfull one soon.

I'm going slow with this one, may finish a few other bows first. The fades are worrying me.

Nick
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Okie 1 on September 08, 2009, 01:17:00 PM
Looks great Nick! Love the nocks   ;)  Like everyone else has said, you've got great talent.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Hermann From Bavaria on September 08, 2009, 03:14:00 PM
yehaw! what a fantastic stick! really cool stuff, nick! my respect to you!

greets
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: coulter on September 08, 2009, 08:19:00 PM
hey nick' great bow i got a question, do you use titebond3 to glue lams as well as risers?
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: limbcracker on September 08, 2009, 10:47:00 PM
Impressive work, those tapers are really nice, and you're doing them free hand! But hey, get yourself some safety glasses, it's no fun having splinters pulled out of your eyes, I know! And they can get in there no matter which way the dust is flying - I learned that the hard way too. Keep up the great work. Kirk
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: SteveD on September 09, 2009, 05:57:00 AM
Great work. Bow looks great
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: ARCHER2 on September 10, 2009, 09:51:00 AM
Hey Nick,
Great job man, you're tools and shop favor mine a lot. Keep up the good work.
                       Charlie
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: TheFatboy on September 10, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
Nick,

for how long have you been into building bows?
Looks like you've been a bowyer in your previous life, eh?  :D
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: toolslinger on September 13, 2009, 12:49:00 AM
Absolutely brilliant build along. Please can I have some more? I have about the same tools and would really like to progress to building laminated bows.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: b.glass on September 13, 2009, 12:54:00 PM
This is one talented and driven young man!

:clapper:  

Bona
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 13, 2009, 02:21:00 PM
thanks guys!!

kirk, the tapering is pretty hard indeed, but it gets easier after a few attempts. Safety glasses for sure!! had a splinter in my eye not long ago, wich didn't want to get out... had tears over my face for a few hours, luckily the splinter was gone the very next day.

fatboy, right now I've made 42 bows, this one not included. the 30 I broke aren't included either   ;)  

Toolslinger, you want some more? please be more specific   :)   I'd be glad to help you!

guys, Imma put some more pics of the tillering online tonight. The finishing pics might take a while, as I have some tests (school!!) coming up soon.

Nick
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 13, 2009, 03:06:00 PM
okay, were at tillering stage!!

For tillering I use mostly my scraper. If the bow's still wayy too stiff, and spokeshaving results in tearout, I grab another tool, my ugly but reliable anglegrinder. Utmost care is needed with this agressive tool!!!

I mark the places wich I want to bend more, remove some wood, and check again. This can take several hours, so I won't post pictures of every wood removal.

it appeared that I've cut through my bellyslat, so I'll go with one, a little thicker lam for the next time. This will give me a blank wich is almost ready to be shot once it's off the form.

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding377.jpg)

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Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 13, 2009, 03:08:00 PM
I managed to bring this guy to 55#@27", my goal was 50#@28". But I'd prefer 55#!

here's what it looks like now. Still needs some work!

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding395.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding396.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding397.jpg)

Nick
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Hermann From Bavaria on September 13, 2009, 03:33:00 PM
yeah! another one finished by the skilled dutchman!

my respect, its a beauty!

greets
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 13, 2009, 05:21:00 PM
hohoho hermann!!

she ain't finished yet  :p

- 1" to go
- tips need to be narrowed, overlays need more shapeing
- riser needs final shapeing
- needs sanding
- needs finish (superglue!!!)


..but thanks anyways!!

Nick
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: toolslinger on September 13, 2009, 10:58:00 PM
Always a very informative pleasure watching you work.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Tom Leemans on September 14, 2009, 01:56:00 PM
We need this kid to come over to MOJam some time!
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Ricker on September 14, 2009, 03:09:00 PM
Nick,  Great work, great use of your tools and keep it coming.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: limbcracker on September 14, 2009, 09:25:00 PM
Nice work Nick! I like that limb shape, did you use a tapered lam or are they all parallel?
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 15, 2009, 04:57:00 PM
thanks guys!! I would love to come over to mojam!! but I could get myself a 'real' beltsander, and a nice bandsaw for the same price as the ticket  ;)  I've been to NY once, and it was a great experience. It wouldn't be the last time I visit The USA!

limbcracker, I handtapered them a little on my beltsander, but that's about it. Sorry!

got her to 28" and did some risershapeing!

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding398.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding403.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding404.jpg)

Nick
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: 4est trekker on September 15, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
Man, guy...you build some beautiful bows.     :clapper:      :clapper:     I like how you stick to wood.  How did you get into bowbuilding being from the Netherlands?  Awesome stuff, guy.  Keep 'em coming.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Ricker on September 15, 2009, 06:42:00 PM
Nick,
Again, you're an impressive young man with a huge amount of great skills....

Don't forget to do well in school too.....and give honor to those that taught you.

Take Care.

Rick
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: 2treks on September 15, 2009, 10:51:00 PM
If this kid comes to mojam, we better warn mike miguire. he will need to bring more wood.
  keep it up Nick, your stuff looks great.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 16, 2009, 03:27:00 PM
4est, Rick and Chuck,

thanks for your kind words!

my grandfather bought me TBB1 when I was 11, and later bought me TBB2, 3, 4...
That's the way I started. Thanks to my Grandfather.

my grandfather has always been my example to follow. As one of the most succesfull post-ww2 officers in the german army (my mother is from germany, father from the Netherlands), as a really kind person, as a athlete, and sa a great supporter in my hobbies, as my hero.

Indeed, I use TB3 for my glueups! good guess  ;)

my usual drawlength is 31 1/2" (for my favorite warbow, the 125#), but for normal bows it's around 28-29", depending on the drawweight.

If only my budget wasn't so tight I would love to join you guys at mojam. Even If I had to promise not to make bows at that very event  :)

school is nothing but my entrance to university, and then 'corps mariniers' (the dutch navy seals), or directly to the 'corps mariniers'.

but as I'm in the highest level of highschool education (we have several levels in the Netherlands), it's still pretty tough.

more updates later this week.

Nick
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Ricker on September 16, 2009, 05:13:00 PM
Nick,
Your Grandfather sounds like an awesome role model for you.  I know you must make him really proud.
Thanks for sharing the most important stuff here....

and the bow makin' is cool too !!


Rick
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: 2treks on September 16, 2009, 09:16:00 PM
Great to hear your story Nick. your grandfather sounds awesome and you are making Him proud I am sure. If you ever make it to MOJAM you have to promise TOO make bows, thats what it is about.
 Take care and keep it up. ALL of it.
Chuck
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: bvalentine002 on September 17, 2009, 10:35:00 AM
My God...this kid is good.

Make sure you go to university route...Education is a good thing.

I'm sure getting one by reading!
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: razorsharptokill on September 18, 2009, 08:47:00 PM
This young man should be teaching bow building at college! Reeally remarkable work.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Dano on September 18, 2009, 09:06:00 PM
I am proud of you Nick, I know your Grandfather is, your family as well.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: wihill on September 19, 2009, 12:26:00 AM
Nick your work is just amazing.  How on earth do you figure out what kind of poundage you're going to end up with when you build these?

Menards, HD and Lowes don't sell lumber like you're using that I know of, other wise I'd be stopping down tomorrow to make mess out in the garage.

Very inspiring, keep it up!
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: OH Longbow on September 20, 2009, 08:45:00 AM
Amazing...just amazing.  The bow is bending perfectly.

John
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 20, 2009, 04:58:00 PM
guys, I'm flattered, I don't know what to say.

wihill, I had to spend a long day to get the wood, as it was a 2hour drive to the lumberyard, a 1hour drive to the mill, and a 2hour drive to the place that sells the boo. From that, it's a 2.5hour drive back to my home  ;)  Not really lowes-lumber eh !

the poundage... I just use the dimensions from similar bows, but a 1/16" thicker or so. Thin enough to keep the glued-in profile, but thick enough to get the desired drawweight.

Today I finished this bow. I started with narrowing the outterlimbs, than I cleaned/sanded files and 60grit sandpaper, continued with 100, then 180, 400grit. For the grooves, I use a roll of sandpaper (see pic). After that, my bow was ready for the superglue finish.

With my hand in a plastic bag, holding the supergluetube between 2fingers, and using another for spreading it out. Only spread the glue once it's very liquid, otherwise hardened glue on the bag will stick onto the finish. Wich is ugly  :)

After this, the bow shines litteraly. But the finish won't be perfectly even. Sanding it with 100, 180, 400, and then 600grit will dull the finish. polishing the bow with woodcurls really makes the finish stand out, making it look like a mirror surface.

This was only my second attempt at superglue-finishing a bow, and I hope you like it. Any advice is welcome!!

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Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 20, 2009, 05:01:00 PM
Okay, I'm obviously dealing with serious language issues, my apologies.

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/recurve%20buildalong/Afbeelding025-2.jpg)

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Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 20, 2009, 05:05:00 PM
Finally!! it's finished!

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/bbi%20recurve%20finished/Afbeelding045.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/bbi%20recurve%20finished/Afbeelding040.jpg)

(old fulldraw, no new one available)
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Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 20, 2009, 05:08:00 PM
couldn't help myself;

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh367/hanshanssam/bows2/wood%20laminates/bbi%20recurve%20finished/Afbeelding046.jpg)

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thanks for following this buildalong!!

and thanks for your great input guys!

Nick
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Cody Roiter on September 20, 2009, 05:11:00 PM
Nick, Very cool man.... that looks so cool... Nice work.........

Cody
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: sulphur on September 20, 2009, 10:18:00 PM
man thats one to be proud of!!  you did a excellent job.  nice design, smooth curves, good tiller, nice finish!  i would say 9.99 out of 10.  (no one gets a ten)
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 21, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
thanks guys!!

sulphur you're overrating it  ;)  But thanks anyways!!

Nick
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: BenBow on September 22, 2009, 09:55:00 AM
Very nice. Love the wood combo and great job on the finish. I've seen many and nice bow left mediocre with a poor finish. Your finish work brings out the best in your bow. Good work
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: StanM on September 22, 2009, 11:19:00 AM
Nick,

I teach an archery class at the middle school that I work at.  We build fiberglass bows, but I'm showing my students this as an inspiration!  Excellent work!
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Pat B on September 22, 2009, 11:23:00 AM
Beautiful recurve, Nick.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: pappysc2001 on September 22, 2009, 07:21:00 PM
Nick,
I have been thinking about doing a recurve Ipe lam bow and I am glad to see you do it first so I can see how it was done. One question for you. How tall were the blocks of wood you used at the ends for the glue up?
Great job and keep them coming.
Pappy
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Glenn Newell on September 22, 2009, 08:43:00 PM
That's a very nice looking bow...Glenn...
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: razorback on September 23, 2009, 08:47:00 AM
Nick that is a fine looking bow. How does it shoot, any noise or hand shock. What are the final specs on the bow.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Tom Leemans on September 23, 2009, 09:22:00 AM
As usual Nick...WOW!
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Hermann From Bavaria on September 23, 2009, 02:20:00 PM
this is GREAT!!!
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: DesertDude on September 23, 2009, 04:29:00 PM
Stunning Job.........  :clapper:
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: dutchwarbow on September 28, 2009, 05:39:00 AM
hmm seems I missed your replies,,, as always  ;)

thanks for your compliments though  ;)  you guys are, once again, too kind !!

the bow's 58" ntn, 50#@28"

I haven't shot it so much. I don't really trust her, yet, and I want to keep her in one piece till the next bowyersgathering at my house, in a few weeks.

the blocks I used in the form are like 3-4"

Nick
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Nkwana on November 12, 2009, 02:23:00 AM
The most beautiful bow I heve ever seen and I've made a few myself - you are going to go very far in life if you do everything with that much effort and care.

God bless
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: SteveD on November 12, 2009, 07:21:00 AM
Wow Great Job Nick. Beautiful bow
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Bert Frelink on November 12, 2009, 08:29:00 AM
Very nice work Nick, well done.
Congratulations.  :thumbsup:  
Bert.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: coulter on November 12, 2009, 09:02:00 AM
nice job nick! great looking bow.     noel
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Tilbilly on November 12, 2009, 09:19:00 AM
I am just stunned!

Quite an achievement doing this while keeping the studies going, too. And I remember from my highschool days here that the Dutch kids that came over here found themselves extremely bored with our school system. They had already covered everything long ago in Holland.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: mox1968 on November 12, 2009, 12:23:00 PM
good job nick,great bow and good luck with your school exams too.better get the glasses though to save your eyes.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Innocente on February 11, 2010, 10:26:00 AM
wow nick, stumbled across this cross referencing a post mentioning your name elsewhere.  gorgeous work, you inspire me to try an all wood laminate bow.
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Mike Most on February 11, 2010, 03:39:00 PM
I have just finished these six pages and looked at all the work.

From a stand back perspective, all is very inspirational

You are indeed very gifted and talented.   :clapper:  

Mike
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: MR BILL SHORTY on February 11, 2010, 07:49:00 PM
GREAT JOB NICK!!
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: scottm on February 11, 2010, 08:55:00 PM
Great looking bow!good job Nick!
Title: Re: the building of my first lam-recurve... Its done! pics p.4 & p.5
Post by: Grizzzly on February 12, 2010, 05:58:00 PM
Simply amazing !!! Very nice bow.