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Title: San Mai White Iron Hunter
Post by: kbaknife on May 14, 2012, 11:39:00 AM
Something I just had to get done for a fellow, in spite of almost living in my shop right now preparing for the Blade Show.
This knife is one I've made quite a few of and was inspired by a mid-1800s knife I saw at an antique firearm collector's show in Novi, Michigan about 8 years ago.
This is a 4 1/2" San Mai blade of 1095 tool steel core and 416 stainless wrap.
The guard is a hot-blued mild steel affair matched up to a piece of my 100+ year old Bakelite.
Should make a comfortable "friend".

 (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/kbaknife/Knives%202012/RobNabors1.jpg)
Title: Re: San Mai White Iron Hunter
Post by: DANA HOLMAN on May 14, 2012, 12:59:00 PM
Sweet little knife Karl, can a guy buy any of that bakelite anywhere? Kind of looks like aged Osage.
Title: Re: San Mai White Iron Hunter
Post by: kbaknife on May 14, 2012, 01:03:00 PM
Might find some on ****.
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Post by: David Yukon on May 14, 2012, 02:28:00 PM
looking great!!
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Post by: Lin Rhea on May 14, 2012, 03:12:00 PM
Sweet looking knife Karl.
Title: Re: San Mai White Iron Hunter
Post by: kbaknife on May 14, 2012, 03:25:00 PM
(I made one little verbal slip when mentioning the handle material in the very beginning by mis-naming it "Micarta". From then on I did refer to it correctly as "Bakelite".)

Video:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2pFdmLMqUk
Title: Re: San Mai White Iron Hunter
Post by: 2treks on May 14, 2012, 04:51:00 PM
So Cool,

CTT
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Post by: Bodork on May 14, 2012, 07:37:00 PM
Very sweet!!!
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Post by: Doug Campbell on May 14, 2012, 09:50:00 PM
Oh yea, nice! I think my wife still has a piece of that very bakelite somewhere...   ;)
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Post by: akaboomer on May 15, 2012, 12:56:00 AM
Looks great Karl. Your laminated blades are turning out great.

Chris
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Post by: mater on May 15, 2012, 09:20:00 AM
I like those blued guards.
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Post by: jonathan creason on May 15, 2012, 09:44:00 AM
That is amazing.
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Post by: Izzy on May 15, 2012, 10:57:00 AM
Dang Karl, thats one of my favorites of yours.
Title: Re: San Mai White Iron Hunter
Post by: kbaknife on May 15, 2012, 02:35:00 PM
Me, too.    ;)  

QuoteOriginally posted by mater:
I like those blued guards.
Title: Re: San Mai White Iron Hunter
Post by: Ray Hammond on May 16, 2012, 10:55:00 PM
Karl

I really like your style! The contrast is very neat
Title: Re: San Mai White Iron Hunter
Post by: Bobby Urban on May 17, 2012, 07:12:00 AM
Are you welding the complete san mai closed before welding?  Will the stainless stick to 1080 or is 1095 a beter choice?  I failed misserable with attempts at that pre-press but I am thinking of trying again now that I have it.  Any tips or description of what you are doing to get the stainless to weld to carbon steel?

Awesome knife by the way.  really like that one!

Bob Urban
Title: Re: San Mai White Iron Hunter
Post by: kbaknife on May 17, 2012, 07:38:00 AM
Here's the deal - it MUST!! be an oxygen free weld, and there can be absolutely NO oxidation/coloring on the steel.
Even if you have a slight little bluing from heat - it won't weld in that spot.
What I'm saying is, a person might be able to weld up a "can" with the right welder, but I only have a stick welder, which means that you'd get the billet so hot and discolored, that you wouldn't get it welded. Make sense?
So, I just go around the perimeter with a 3/32 rod and make random little tiny weld 'dots' here and there to hold it together.
Then it goes in a double layer wrap of high temp stainless steel heat treat foil, into which has been placed some paper to eat up any oxygen while it's getting hot.
It soaks at welding heat - around 2200 - for 20 minutes.
Then into the press with big dies so it hits the entire billet in one press.
Hold 10 seconds.
Back in the forge to 2200 and soak 10 minutes.
Back into the press dies for a 10 second squeeze.
Then remove foil - which is a pain.
Grind edges until any un-welded areas are removed.
Draw out and then thermal cycle billet before making knife.
Title: Re: San Mai White Iron Hunter
Post by: Ric O'Shay on May 22, 2012, 01:43:00 PM
Karl -

All I can say is    :notworthy:
Title: Re: San Mai White Iron Hunter
Post by: blackpenny on June 08, 2012, 11:23:00 PM
Great work. Very clean and appealing.
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Post by: smokin joe on June 09, 2012, 08:06:00 PM
That's a beautiful knife.
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Post by: Bobby Urban on June 13, 2012, 10:53:00 PM
That makes a lot of sense and really helps generate some ideas for me.  I have access to all things welding - mig, tig, stick, even stainless wire for specialty stainless welds.  I am wondering if I tig welded the can shut or did a complete sealed weld with stainless wire if that might work???  So many projects and so little time.  

I will get on the hot blued guards are HOT train.  that just adds a ton of class.