This should help if someone here is looking.
sorry I started the topic. later... :wavey:
No Pro, but, that's what it is.
I'm going to find one without all that stress if it takes me 20 years. LOL
Good Luck Lon, Trap
Yeah I noticed that one too. Wood looks great and those more knowledgable than I have taught me to not worry too much about stress lines on the limbs... but those stress lines look a little excessive (?)
I'm sure it shoots fine, but I just wouldnt want to look at that everytime I picked it up.
I missed a 45# a couple months ago that was 100% stress free :knothead: :knothead: :banghead:
I've only seen 3 or 4 61s in the last 18 months. Pretty scarce it seems.
Trap
OK...who here just outbid me?
Blackhawk-
First off, it wasn't me. But I have had that bow in my "watch this auction" since the first night it hit.
One of the drawbacks of posting it on here is that it will have ALOT more eyes on it.
I agree. If you're interested in an item, putting the number on here can be detrimental to your checkbook. ;)
Trap
DUH! I just figured that out. :rolleyes:
I was mainly checking on what you guys thought about its condtion, real year of birth, or if you had dealt with the seller before. :help:
I hate to use **** sometimes...and I was just joking about the "outbid me" comment, so keep on bidding. :goldtooth:
LOL, I was out at $100.00 so it's not me. Actually I was never in.
It's a true 61K I'd say. Never dealt with the seller.
The pictures make the riser on the 61 look a little sleeker than the 62. I've never held one in my hand so I don't know for sure. Maybe the experts will enlighten us. It's a shame they were so prone to cracking up. I was born in 61 so I'd really like to have one but I'll hold out. The right one is out there somewhere :pray:
Good Luck Guys, Let the shootout begin, Trap
Well, the 61 I just returned had a bit less stress and the riser to me is a bit bulkier than the 62.
Danny
Didn't know the '61 had crack up problems...enlighten me. :jumper:
The 61's were built with wood that was not fully dried. This caused a bunch of stress cracks in the Kodiak and Magnum. Most still shoot just fine, but don't look so good. A number were painted to fill in the cracks and were star stamped, serial numbers removed, and warranty terminated. It's pretty well-documented stuff. I have a 50# with about average stress, no stamp and the serial number intact. Pretty nice bow. CKruse
BlackHawk-
Here is how the conversation should go when dealing with the above situation.
You - Hey "trusted friend" do you know about the'61 on #$@% right now?
Trusted Friend - No. Do tell.
You- Well I would like to get your input but if I tell you about it do you promise not to snipe it like a Scud over Riyhad.
Scenario A-
Trusted Friend- Yeah sure. I have no interest in a '61 right now. (Show auction to Trusted Friend)
Scenario B-
Trusted Friend - I've wanted a 61 forever. If I like it, you're screwed because I have deeper pockets than you. (Under no circumstance do you show the auction to Trusted Friend)
I am fortunate enough right now to have 3 quality people in my life that I can, and have, done that with. All 3 of which have forgotten more about trad bows than I will ever know. You guys know who you are.
Scenario 3
Trusted friend - "I gotta be honest with you, I really want a '61 and will walk all over you and anyone else to get it".
You - "Thank you for being so honest. Unfortunately, I will not be able to tell you where to find it".
Trusted friend - "Not a problem...while you were typing, I went on e8ay, found it, and put a 1 grand bid on it. So, go for it if you want, my good friend".
DUHHhhhhh!
I do like the green glass on a 1961 but most of em do have a lot of stress.
I would PM or email any of you if I located something you were interested in and I wasn't. Beyond that, I'm not about to get on here and advertise what I've located and where! That just doesn't make sense. Just my .02! CKruse
ROFLMAO @ current thread title
Trap
So Jack, How bad do you want a '61? 55# and less stress than the one pictured on eBat. PM me if you want.
Holy balls did I miss something or what??? man I gotta lay off the coffee.Never even seen the bow....Hey Cam and anyone else interested without wanting to sound like a wise-ass....did you read that about the 1961 having uncured riser wood in an article in TBH or on the other web sight,something like Stickbow ran by some compound shooter??? well the guy that wrote that article is as full of shi% as a christmas goose...and the people that printed it are as dumb as a box of rocks....I would like to clear up one thing and again I sure don't want anyone to think I'am just babbleing away here.....but during a little interview I did several years ago with a couple former Bear Archery bowyers.......I asked one of them about the 1961 Kodiak or any Bear bow being built with green or uncured riser wood......his response to me was just this.....who in the hell told you that...I did not reply really fast as normal,with some wittie retort....he asked me if I thought Bear Archery did not own a moisture meter...and why would I think they would have used something like uncured wood,knowing full will it would fail or crack..I then asked (of course)did you guy's have a moisture meter....his answer ??? ya about 48 of them....So the boy's whom wrote that article and the more-ons that printed it are all full of shi*....little friday morning trivia for you guy's........bowdoc
Sorry to get you all worked up Doc! I have read it in several places as you know, and I won't quote the source till I can verify- but it seems I did hear it from one or two very respected sources.
I've wondered about the validity of that information from time to time as it would seem silly to use wood that was too green, However I also realize what production demands can do to quality control! Anyway, I know that's been a long-running story on what occurred. Do you have any insight as to why nearly all of them stress cracked so severely? With all due respect, CKruse
you crack me up.....but yes production would play some roll...but also with all do respect to the guy's or gal's that did write that article and folks whom may have posted it...Bear Archery was sporting 2 warehouses full of inported hardwoods.Bill said why would we have ever choosen green wood when we could have choosen from tons of any other cured wood...well without giveing away all of my trade secerts...one reason about 99% of 99% of bears bows and I'am certim we've all seem bows with them little beggers ( stress cracks) in every manufactures bow ever sold.Includeing Pearsons Widows Wing Colts(colts built by Wing or Howatt)& Howatts built by Howatt,again evey manufacture had that problem a little here and there.But I would like to answer your question with one more question if thats OK ? If thats what they really are .. stress cracks are they really caused by stressing,ever wonder how or why there would be some cracks located in areas of the bow where there is thick wood and no stressing what so ever,like lets say the riser overlays.Sure that would make one think the riser wood expanded and cracked the glass.But that would only answer one years problem and surely Bear did not use green wood every year of production....so what if they are really not stress cracks at all...what if they are actually expansition cracks ??? keep me posted.......bowdoc