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Title: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Ulysseys on July 16, 2014, 08:41:00 AM
My shooting has become terrible over the past month or so, anybody ever run in to this?  I can't say exactly what it is other than I'm having trouble holding on target I guess.  I shoot a "modified" gap style, with the arrow in my periph. vision and have been a very accurate shooter for some time but now I'm all over the place.  I checked and retuned my bow, everything on that end looks great so I'm assuming it's me.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Jayrod on July 16, 2014, 08:46:00 AM
Take a break then go back in a couple days..you will pickup bad habits if you continue when you go back to shooting take your time and concentrate
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: MJB on July 16, 2014, 08:49:00 AM
Quit for the day..
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Piratkey on July 16, 2014, 08:51:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by pred80:
Take a break then go back in a couple days..you will pickup bad habits if you continue when you go back to shooting take your time and concentrate
+1    :archer2:
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Alexander Traditional on July 16, 2014, 08:52:00 AM
I have to say the same as the above. I'll come home from work and be tired and can't concentrate,but I'll shoot anyway. I'll swear that I'm doing everything all right,but I just can't shoot. I'll put it up,and get a good nights rest,and go out and try again,and always do better the next day.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: cacciatore on July 16, 2014, 08:57:00 AM
I quote the other guys.
I was shooting everyday and too much,I quit for 3 days and slowed down.
In case move to 5 yards and work on your form.
It is a never endind progress!
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Nathan Killen on July 16, 2014, 08:58:00 AM
Yes sir....been there ! I also take a break from shooting and it helps. I've noticed when I'm not shooting up to par its usually my release or I'm collapsing at the shot.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Alexander Traditional on July 16, 2014, 09:03:00 AM
Hey Bill this may sound dumb,but I do it and I think it helps. When I'm shooting very good, I will write down every little thing I do. When I'm rested and feeling good I will go out and try to re-do everything from that day. It eventually starts to come easier and easier.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: McDave on July 16, 2014, 09:08:00 AM
It could be any or a number of things, and as people have said, will probably go away on its own in time.

However, wouldn't it be nice if you knew what caused it, and then you could nip it in the bud the next time it happens?

Ideally, you would get some coaching, either locally or from one of the many fine archery instructors who put on classes around the country from time to time, such as Rod Jenkins.  Next, video yourself and send it in to the shooting form section of Trad Gang.  Arne is pretty good at picking up things from videos that people send in.

Last, take your shot apart and really focus on each component, shooting at a blank bale so you aren't distracted by trying to hit anything.  Common causes of slumps are failure to maintain a strong bow arm, torquing the bow or string, lifting your head (peeking) at the moment of release, failure to follow through, creeping (take a close up video of your arrow on the rest as you shoot the bow and observe whether it has any forward movement prior to release).  These aren't always easy to notice.  For example, if you are used to moving your head or torquing the string, it may feel natural to do those things and you have to increase your level of awareness to notice them.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Scott E on July 16, 2014, 09:09:00 AM
When you go back to shooting put only one arrow in your quiver and after each shot take a second to think about exactly what you did and what you need to do for the next shot.

If you can post a video in the shooting form section. That could help but my guess is it's mental. Sometimes I get too caught up in aiming or thinking about what I'm doing and my shooting tanks. In those times I get close to the target and blank bale.

Good luck
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Lone Ranger on July 16, 2014, 09:26:00 AM
I have dropped shooting for a month or more (6-7 weeks (during the summer)) and upon return often have much better grouping and shot placement than before- (though my muscles cant shoot as many rounds)

L.R.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: lbshooter on July 16, 2014, 10:09:00 AM
I think every body  has run into this at some point. Given the bow/ set-up is unchanged, the newly developed inaccuracy is caused by either a change in form or a break in concentration.  A break in concentration is easier.  Once recognized it can be addressed without much energy. A form change is more difficult, particularly if you are unable to pinpoint the change. Sometimes you restore it sometimes not, and need help.  Long ago I adopted a practice that helped immensely when my shooting would deteriorate.  When you are shooting your best write down every aspect of your form. Stance, anchor point, head position, grip, etc. Carefully  document  the shooting sequence. This is your shooting reference.  Since doing this, if my shooting deteriorated, I have always found the aspect(s) of my form that fell apart and corrected it successfully. I have also perfected specific aspects of my form.  Over time you will develop the ability to consciously recognize a change in form or concentration very quickly. Just some thoughts.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: damascusdave on July 16, 2014, 10:38:00 AM
Depending on what you have for bows and accessories I would suggest considering quiting entirely and selling all of it to me...or you could take a Rick Jenkins course

DDave
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: damascusdave on July 16, 2014, 10:39:00 AM
Sorry, Rod Jenkins and I guess the other Dave already mentioned that option...he usually gives better advice than I do

DDave
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: 2bird on July 16, 2014, 10:55:00 AM
From the above posts it's pretty obvious that everyone experiences slumps in their shooting and everyone is on the money with their tips.

Now I will speak for myself but I bet others will agree..

Your diet plays a big factor into your mental concentration, if I drink too much coffee or eat s sugary snack before I shoot I'm all over the place, medications can affect your shooting too.

your mood as stated earlier (being tired from work) can greatly affect how you shoot. Just like in boxing if you don't keep your cool and get mad you will tend to lose, it's the same thing with archery, ask yourself, have you been stressed lately? This is hard for me because I'm very competitive by nature so when I miss a shot, especially an easy one, I tend to beat myself up for it, which in turn screws up the next shot (vicious cycle) just got to let stuff like that go, when the arrow is gone it is gone just move to the next shot  :)  

one more thing that we often overlook, how's your eye sight? maybe you need glasses or a stronger prescription? my dad has always been a phenomenal shot (handgun), out of the blue he started shooting worse and worse, my sister is an optometrist assist and convinced him to get his eyes check, he walked out with new glasses and he was back to great shooting.

Just some things to think about, best of luck to you.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Archie on July 16, 2014, 11:01:00 AM
I would absolutely recommend taking some videos of yourself and critiquing them yourself.  

Also, when I'm having trouble, I can re-zero myself by drawing an arrow on a viable target, coming to the point of release... and then letting down without releasing the arrow.  That helps me to assess whether I am focusing and controlling the shot properly.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Fletcher on July 16, 2014, 01:04:00 PM
Blank bale and shot sequence.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Paul_R on July 16, 2014, 01:47:00 PM
I have those days too (not fun). It usually boils down to being distracted or otherwise not fully in the game. Best to just put it down for a while till it's fun again.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Tim on July 16, 2014, 01:58:00 PM
Archery and golf are very similar and that little changes in form can really play havoc.  In both hobbies over practice is not a good thing.  As folks have mentioned.  Take a break for several day or even a week.  You'll come back refreshed and with a clear head.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: el chupa nibre on July 16, 2014, 02:02:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Fletcher:
Blank bale and shot sequence.
X 2!
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: cahaba on July 16, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
I usually take a couple of days off. I write down all the things that are conducive to proper shooting and concentrate on them and try to apply them when my next shooting session comes around. Lack of concentration is usually the culprit for me.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Dogboy900 on July 16, 2014, 02:56:00 PM
I had a terrible slump in form before a big hunting trip at one stage. I was shooting every day and grouping great and overnight it all fell apart. I got really frustrated with it, and realised it coincided with switching to having a couple of broadheads in the mix. BUT it wasn't only the broadheads that were going astray.

After beating myself up and trying to figure out what I had changed with my form I realised it was that I was beginning to concentrate on the end of my arrow rather than where I wanted the arrow to go! I still have problems with that now and again but at least I know what it is!
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: kadbow on July 16, 2014, 03:14:00 PM
If I get in a funk I shoot a different bow for a while and it seems to bring my focus and form back.  If I have been shooting a longbow I will shoot a recurve for a bit or vice versa.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: ISP 5353 on July 16, 2014, 05:06:00 PM
Lots of great advice given already.  Shooting should be fun.  When you are shooting good it is really fun.  Everyone has good days and bad, you are not alone and you did not forget how to shoot!

It you are spraying arrows at 20 yards move up to 5 yards and shoot a few.  Try a trick shot or two.  Grab some flu flus and shoot at tennis balls in the yard.  Just do something to have some fun and stop chasing really small groups for a few days.  Your accuracy will come back,  Don't get down about it.  Positive mental attitude and strong concentration will win out.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: meathead on July 16, 2014, 05:14:00 PM
It happens to me on occasion.  Almost always on my little range here at home.  It is just from lack of concentration because I get bored shooting the same shots day after day.  I just get away from that situation and just stump shoot for a week or two.  Always seems to get me back into form.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Zradix on July 16, 2014, 05:14:00 PM
make/buy a new bow...lol

..really though...If it going on for a while I check my equipment, paper test my setup again...just to be sure it's me, then work on the basics..a mental checklist really and get back on track.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Sam McMichael on July 16, 2014, 09:11:00 PM
Pour three fingers of Scotch and come back another day when I am not distracted.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Gdpolk on July 16, 2014, 09:17:00 PM
Drink a beer. Blow it off. Take a few days off.

It happens.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Firstlight on July 16, 2014, 11:25:00 PM
It's pretty much all been said, but when in a slump I slow it way down and hit the blank bale.

I try to feel each part of the shot (eyes closed).

Recently I was having a problem and realized the string was hitting my arm.  Upon the blank bale it became clear I was heeling the grip / riser.  

Rotated the elbow out after adjusting my grip and problem solved.   It felt good to self correct.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Legolas on July 21, 2014, 11:02:00 PM
I am having big problems also as I got a new bow and having a devil of a time getting the arrows tuned and shooting a decent group. I am committed to making this bow work but I am just not there yet. Confidence is so important and if the equipment is not working it messes with your head!
I thought for awhile that the new string was causing too tight nock pinch and giving me erratic arrow flight. Bare shaft shooting is all I am doing and it seems so fickle. Arrows are not as consistent as I expect them to be.
I also am amazed when I get mad and  Will  an arrow to the bullseye . Sometimes the arrow acts like a bad teenager and misbehaves till I force my will through it- you know what I am saying?
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Paul WA on August 04, 2014, 09:47:00 AM
If you want higher scores try golf.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: LongStick64 on August 04, 2014, 12:13:00 PM
Slow down. Probably the hardest thing to do when your shot sequence is ingrained in.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: Greyswampfox on August 09, 2014, 08:49:00 AM
When I start spraying arrows, my focus is typically the cause.  Sometimes shooting just one arrow, pulling the arrow waiting a minute or so and shooting again works for me.  Other times as mentioned previously , changing up my practice sessions is the key.  Shoot different targets, small targets, moving targets,  shoot kneeling or sitting etc.  Make it fun and interesting.
Title: Re: What to do when your shooting becomes terrible
Post by: DDFlongbow on August 09, 2014, 11:33:00 AM
If I have 30 min. to shoot I will shoot blank bail for 15 min.