Maybe you remember I had some issues with my form, going back in drawlenght, which translated itself in my arrows hitting not consequent on the same height.
Only looking at the training video from Moebow about the rotational draw, improved my form dramatically!
Now I take care that I build up back tension by placing my string elbow more backwards and I make a follow trough after the shot.
Here is a good example of my grouping now, after a few times training on it, thanks Moebow! The distance is 27 yards or 25 meters and the size of the paper is appr. 4 by 4 inches.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p525/FlyingDutchman25/pijlen/1b71247d6f640d6ed42876e8cb45aa67_zps9e75313a.jpg)
That is significantly good shooting at that distance!! I'm glad you found some "workable" suggestions in the videos.
Arne
Arne,
It is unbelievable how fast I made progress just by watching and studying your video. I do one thing different, I touch with stretched fingers the back of my head after the shot and follow trough. That feels more natural to me then touching my shoulder. I still go back, but I think that became my style, I overdraw first to a 30 to 30.5 inches and then go back to 29 to my anchor. Strange I do this, but it is consequent all the time. I am still waiting for the video they shot today of me.
Truth be told, When I did those videos, I too was just learning the "system." I now too have my hand in the air behind my head/ear and it doesn't drop to the shoulder so much. Actually, either is OK but the behind the ear is marginally better.
You can see this in the video I did where I am just shooting a target style recurve (no voice or instruction, just shooting.) http://youtu.be/yXX5lGTTOeg
Arne
When ever I start to struggle with my shooting .I watch Moebows videos on youtube. I have watched them so may times I have memorized most of what he saying.When watching them I find something that I never saw before or something I stopped doing. I don't copy everything. I shoot 3 under and my anchor is different but the man has helped me more then anything else.Im glad theres still people in this world who just want to help,and will put the time in for the good of the sport.
Very well said fatzboys. Arne is truly concerned with teaching proper form and perspective to anyone who seeks his help. He's tremendously friendly, generous with his time and expertise, and in it for the betterment of each archer. They don't come much better in our sport.
QuoteOriginally posted by Green:
Very well said fatzboys. Arne is truly concerned with teaching proper form and perspective to anyone who seeks his help. He's tremendously friendly, generous with his time and expertise, and in it for the betterment of each archer. They don't come much better in our sport.
Couldn't agree more, thank you Arne.
And getting back to the original post...
That's some seriously good shooting!
Thanks all for the replies. And yes, Arne is a good man!
As for the shooting,I always hope to get three arrows in the paper. I always shoot in a set of three arrows. Two happens on a regular base, but when I have shoot two in and get ready for the third, I get nerveus :) So I miss the third most of the times. I only had it once that all three arrows went right in the paper. Man, I was happy....
I often wonder how many people have been helped by Arne, we are lucky to have him.
If it wasn't for Arne I'd still be a half drawing, snap shooting, praying, frustrated, ready to take up golf stick bower lol!!
QuoteOriginally posted by fmscan:
I often wonder how many people have been helped by Arne, we are lucky to have him.
I have definitely been helped by Arne's videos. Solid and straight to the point.
Arne's videos are my go to when I start wandering a bit in my form. A big THANKS to Arne for sharing his knowledge!!
This forum has a lot of good people who really go out of their way to help others and Arne is at the top of the heap. Probably the most useful archery information I've ever gleaned online I've gotten from Arne's videos. It really is all about the basics, thanks for reminding us Arne! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I think I'm starting to blush a little here folks. :)
I'm VERY glad that many of you feel the videos have helped you -- that was their only intent. BUT, BE vewy vewy careful... this may lead to more videos and then you'll just have more work to do. :readit: :jumper:
Arne
Just let um come!
That's what I like To here Arne .Video is a tool that can help people see what they do compared to what your doing.The work to get there is what I enjoy.Those days you have when you cant miss come from lots of days practicing the correct way. I think a lot of us think there doing one thing but when they see there self on film they see something else. You should feel good,there,s a lot of great shots out there . But not very many that can teach or take the time too. Its got to feel good,Sir. I know it would make me feel good.Love to see what your working on. Moevideo
I watch and re-watch your videos also. They get me back on track every time. Thanks for the mentoring that you do.
I think I've said this before, but it deserves repeating. I've been shooting bows for over 30 years, and my shooting has improved and I've learned more in the past year from Arne and Jimmy Blackmon's posts and videos than all those previous years put together. Well done, and a big thanks to Trad Gang.
Arne, any of your advise is more then welcome! :thumbsup:
Nice shooting Dutchman! I usually choke on the last arrow of my group as well. Coach Arne has also helped me a lot with my form. Best wishes to you both!
QuoteOriginally posted by moebow:
Truth be told, When I did those videos, I too was just learning the "system." I now too have my hand in the air behind my head/ear and it doesn't drop to the shoulder so much. Actually, either is OK but the behind the ear is marginally better.
You can see this in the video I did where I am just shooting a target style recurve (no voice or instruction, just shooting.) http://youtu.be/yXX5lGTTOeg
You have great form, loved your video.
It made me watch a few of yours.
Bow/Salute
Arne
I gotta say , every issue I have come across I get the answer from either Arne's videos or from his posts.
I don't always get it the first time , but once I figure it out it is a "oh now I see" moment. Thanks Arne !!!!
QuoteOriginally posted by TomatoLane:
QuoteOriginally posted by moebow:
Truth be told, When I did those videos, I too was just learning the "system." I now too have my hand in the air behind my head/ear and it doesn't drop to the shoulder so much. Actually, either is OK but the behind the ear is marginally better.
You can see this in the video I did where I am just shooting a target style recurve (no voice or instruction, just shooting.) http://youtu.be/yXX5lGTTOeg
You have great form, loved your video.
It made me watch a few of yours.
Bow/Salute
Arne
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Was watching a bunch of videos, of some great shooters, from (grey archer,Jeff kavanagh, Wolfie,billingsgate,ect,ect.)
They all shoot great but out of all of them I have to say that, YOU TheMoebow1, have absolutely the most natural release of them all.
Your follow through is picture perfect.
You truly just relax your fingers,and your back tension,truly pulls your hand back to your second anchor point.
Everyone else seems to be forceing follow through,
like they, are thinking about it, and not just letting it happen, like a perfect release aid, release.
TheMoebow1... Do you even feel your release? And can you some how try to describe what you feel?
I close my eyes, and that helps a ton, but I cant seem, to not be conscious, of my release.
I am used to release aids(cough, converted wheelie guy)So my grip used to be inverted .
Now I use 3 under, and no matter what i try I cant get that,startle you release, like with an aid.
So can you try to describe what you feel?
TL,
That's a tough one -- describing it I mean. It is part of a complete package that starts (for me) at the beginning of the draw sequence.
I use the rotational draw to build the proper back tension right from the start of the draw. BT keeps building until I have ABOUT 80 to 90 % of the bow weight supported in the back (string side of the back NOT bow side). Here I will mention again that back tension is not trying to flex a muscle or muscle group -- it IS moving a bone or a couple bones -- scapula and humerus. If you "move bones" you will have good muscle use.
Once I have my facial references and holding position, I ONLY think about increasing the back motion of the string shoulder (this is VERY small movement MORE FELT than seen) and as I do that, tension in the arm moves more to the back to a point where the flexor muscles in the string forearm aren't holding the hook anymore and then the string is gone. That feel is kind of like water draining from my front side to the back.
The follow through is simply a result of the continuing shoulder movement (press) and once the string is gone, it is just like my hand was in a tug of war and the other guy let go of the rope.
That's the long way around the barn to describe the "feel" in my hand. Try this, hold your string hand out completely relaxed. Your string fingers will have a natural curl to them if completely relaxed. Now take your other hand and sharply slap your relaxed string fingers. Do you feel the "thud" or "thump" like feeling in your hand? And after the slap, your fingers are still relaxed and curled. That is the "feel" in my hand at release.
I have found that for me, it is NEVER a "shoot now" thought, it IS a "keep pressing the string shoulder back and feel the the tension flow from the arm to the back. At some point "boom" the string is gone and I find my hand behind my ear. Does that sound familiar? If you use back tension to activate a mechanical release with a C bow, it is very similar.
I've said many times that this "relaxed hand" release was the hardest part of learning the NTS for me!!! It took a lot of work but the results were well worth it!
Best I can do in writing.
Arne
Yes sir, everything I do looks a lot like you, the only thing is i am 3 under, but my follow through, ect.ect. mirrors you. (well I try to mirror you hehe)
I just dont think I am relaxing my hand like I should be.
Thanks so much for trying to describe the feeling you get with a perfect release.
I knew it was going to be hard to do, BUT, I figured if anyone had a shot at describing it, You for sure would be the one.
And you did not disappoint.
Bow/salute
Out to shoot and practice.
Thanks so much again
I watched his rotational draw video about 5 times yesterday and wanted to practice today. i didn't get the chance so tomorrow i hope isn't as busy. kids work and school are eating my time up. Thanks moebow for the link and ill let you know how it goes.