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Title: Creeping causes
Post by: Lee Lobbestael on June 02, 2011, 05:41:00 PM
What causes creeping at full draw? what I mean is reaching full draw and then slowly creeping forward off your anchor point before the shot. Is this a tp issue? From what I understand it is usually a loss of back tension and therefor would be a form issue. Could this problem be fixed by blind baling?
Title: Re: Creeping causes
Post by: snakebit40 on June 02, 2011, 05:51:00 PM
I would say it would be improper back tension. If you use proper back tension you never stop pulling therefore allows no creep. I hope the real experts chime in on this. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Creeping causes
Post by: moebow on June 02, 2011, 07:26:00 PM
Absolutely correct snake!  If you creep forward at full draw, you have lost back tension or never had it.  Lee can you post a video of your shooting?  Your problem may be many things in combination and a video would help with suggested corrections.
Title: Re: Creeping causes
Post by: Lee Lobbestael on June 02, 2011, 09:48:00 PM
I would like to post one but it may take awhile to borrow a phone or camera to take the video on. I will try this weekend
Title: Re: Creeping causes
Post by: Green on June 02, 2011, 09:50:00 PM
Like Snakebit said.....reach anchor and keep pulling.  Take a look at Moebow's video's on youtube...his form is outstanding and you'll learn a lot.  Also look in the videos on this forum and look for Terry Green and Rod Jenkins.  You'll learn a lot about back tension and its' effect on proper alignment.
Title: Re: Creeping causes
Post by: Terry Green on June 03, 2011, 09:46:00 AM
No alignment....no bone on bone....over bowed...over drawing and coming back forward to anchor but never regain rearward motion again.

There's probably more reasons....
Title: Re: Creeping causes
Post by: Bowwild on June 03, 2011, 02:25:00 PM
Once at anchor, aim (however you do it) then keep the bow arm and the drawing back muscles active. Think about the drawing elbow beginning to move slightly rearward (back motion--rhomboid muscle--this is "Step #9--Shot Set-Up)and immediately relax the back of the drawing hand and fingers at once.  Your hand will immediately slide along your face, under your ear and the thumb, if it was properly folded into your drawing hand at anchor, will end up on or near your shoulder.

This focus on this "back of the shot" will prevent or cure all kinds of ills -- physical and mental.

By the way, the bow arm, if kept properly active, won't stay "up" until after the arrow hits. To do that you can't keep it active and you will eventually have a collaspe of the bow arm inward (which is akin to bow arm creeping). The bow arm will jump slightly toward the target and fall down and to the outward side during  proper follow-through.

Before I release my last thought is "thumb to the shoulder".

22,300 teachers have been taught this process -- they taught 1.916 million 4th-12th grade students this year.

This follow-through is the archery swing.
Title: Re: Creeping causes
Post by: Bowwild on June 03, 2011, 02:28:00 PM
Oh, and keep your comments and thoughts about shooting positive.  Concentrate on how the shot felt and what you will do next shot to execute the shot better.  Keep what you might have done improperly out of your mind.  I.E. Tell the lineman NOT to jump off-sides and that's exactly what he will be thinking of ... jumping off sides. Tell him instead to stay onside until...
Title: Re: Creeping causes
Post by: LongStick64 on June 05, 2011, 12:21:00 PM
Learn to "feel" what pulling actually feels like. It's not done with your arms but your back, pulling inward. Get up close to the target and close your eyes, hit anchor and then feel your inner back muscles working.
Title: Re: Creeping causes
Post by: Sticks2117 on June 05, 2011, 01:02:00 PM
Formaster is the best thing I ever did for my archery/shooting skills.


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