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Title: aim small miss small
Post by: nc recurveman on July 15, 2010, 07:23:00 PM
I was just practicing in the yard and stumbled on a useful training aid. Now I'm sure some of you have done this some may have not. I was shooting a multidot bag target and my groups weren't what I thought they should be. I noticed a tennis ball behind the target and decide to pu that on a broken shaft about a yard ahead of the target. My groups tighten up to the size of a softball! curious I put a empty shotgun shell on the stick my groups shrunk to baseball size. all the shots were at 20yards same bow same everything. So I figure I was distracted by the multidots, Hope it helps ya'll
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Post by: vtmtnman on July 15, 2010, 07:33:00 PM
At a local shoot they always have a multidot bag target for warmup.The guys watching me shoot it must be thinking.."And that guy hunts with that thing?"   :saywhat:  

I hate those multi dot bags,but I'm sure if you practice with them they probably could improve your focus on a spot.Maybe.   :dunno:
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Post by: Ragnarok Forge on July 15, 2010, 07:37:00 PM
If the multi spot bags is a challenge.  Work at focusing on a frayed edge of a spot.  Once you conquer the bag anything else should be a easy to pick a spot on.
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Post by: LA Trapper on July 15, 2010, 10:53:00 PM
Good topic nc.  

My strategy is to focus on the bottom of the dot I am looking at.  If I look at the dot I shoot high.  If I burn a hole at the 6 o'clock position of the dot I am focused on, I make a good shot.

Works for me.

Billy
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Post by: BenBow on July 15, 2010, 11:26:00 PM
Aim small HIT small! Much more positive mental picture and the minds picture drives accuracy
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Post by: Thumper Dunker on July 16, 2010, 12:38:00 AM
Well said Ben.
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Post by: Bama Recurve on July 16, 2010, 01:41:00 AM
i've done the same thing and noticed a tighter group. Except i was using apples. I tend to lose focus when shooting at a bag. Anything to make the shot more interesting usually creates better groups
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Post by: Raging Water on July 16, 2010, 01:59:00 AM
I put a small 2" X 2" picture of my mother-in-law in front of my target.

Tight groups!
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Post by: eric-thor on July 16, 2010, 03:32:00 AM
lmao thats good matt!

i used to shoot at golf tees, that makes ya focus !! at 20 yrds . bright ones work the best ofcource.  :laughing:
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Post by: Slasher on July 16, 2010, 06:05:00 AM
I  cut a 1/2 square off the orange flagging (aka engineer tape) and then use a nail to hold it in my foam target... the smaller the object to focus on the tighter the groups...
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Post by: T Lail on July 16, 2010, 08:00:00 PM
on a multi dot target take a Sharpie pen and put a small dot in the middle of the circle just big enough to see at twenty yards....it really helps me...
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Post by: eric-thor on July 17, 2010, 02:37:00 AM
my favorite is shooting with a friend a n aiming for his nocs.  :bigsmyl:    :laughing:
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Post by: term on July 17, 2010, 06:59:00 AM
I never aim at one of the dots, nothing like that on the game I hunt. As said above by Ragnarok Forge I pick a a thread or hole in the area around the dots. Also makes target last longer.Also I have used brown spray paint on the bags.that seems to help my shooting. TERM
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Post by: RocketDog on July 17, 2010, 07:57:00 PM
I have a bag with multiple dots for mostly warmups and short range stuff.  The target I use for serious groups at decent distances I covered with burlap (from walmart sewing dept) and I put 1 or 2 small spots on it with black or orange duct tape.
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Post by: no on July 18, 2010, 10:23:00 AM
I cant shoot those multi dots either,  Mike
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Post by: cbCrow on July 18, 2010, 12:44:00 PM
I have never been able to shoot a multidot target so I cut out a 5" diameter corrugated dot and mark a 1" dot dead center. It has tightened up my shots,  :thumbsup:   and helps my focus.  :archer:
Title: Re: aim small miss small
Post by: Mitch-In-NJ on July 18, 2010, 04:04:00 PM
I am not good at focusing on creases or threads on the target for long.  Maybe my first couple or three arrows.  After that my eyes get a little lazy.

And the dots I just don't care for.

Usually, I just grab a leaf and wedge it into the layers of my targets.  Then I shoot at the leaf.

At the public range they just have hay bales.  But they also have a trap range.  So I grab a 20 guage shell and wedge that into the bale and use that as my target.  It's small and bright yellow and I group much better than when shooting at paper or burlap.
Title: Re: aim small miss small
Post by: Meathook 1 on July 19, 2010, 06:22:00 PM
Great topic,I cannot shoot at dots or spots,or anything that is not on game,it just messes me up when I shoot animal targets.When I shoot at the range I pick out a nose,ear tail,something different every shot,its like calling you're pocket in pool.I do get some looks like Iam shooting all over the place.But what ever works.Alot of good post in these forums.
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Post by: browndown on July 19, 2010, 10:08:00 PM
I use a bag with one tennis ball size orange dot on one side and a quarter size on the other, marking paint works great. In the field I pick out a crease, wrinkle or even a tuft of hair.
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Post by: ncsaknech1ydh on July 22, 2010, 12:19:00 AM
I have always spray painted my multidot targets brown, and then like mentioned above, pic a spot within that target, it really helps come hunting. When I started hunting many years ago, the first season or so I shot one of those old time multi-colored round targets, with a yellow 10 ring, come that first hunting season, the few shots I did get a chance on with whitetail I didn't even come close, lucky for me I didn't wound an animal, after that in talking to other archerys they told me to just shoot at something brown, and it made me a much better shot while hunting game animals.
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Post by: JamesV on August 01, 2010, 09:59:00 PM
I get the orange stickeys you see on bread in the stores "2 for $2" catch the delevery man and he will give you a roll.
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Post by: Eugene Slagle on August 02, 2010, 05:55:00 AM
I hate those multi dot bags myself & the 5 spot indoor target face is no difference, you give me a single spot & I'll either scare it to death or hit it.

I have 2 bags that really could use some new coverings but wish I could find one that has nothing on it.
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Post by: trad_in_cali on August 03, 2010, 10:44:00 AM
We have hay bales... I tend to semi-hide a 2" bright colored circle of cardboard under a few twigs. It forces me to look for it and keeps my concentration. Marco
Title: Re: aim small miss small
Post by: canshooter on August 03, 2010, 11:03:00 AM
I dangle a crab apple off of a string about 18 inches in front of the bag. I am thinking of driving a small screw into a golf ball and hanging that for durability. I only have 11 yards at home so the small target is good. I have always found that shooting a 3 dimensional object is way better than 2d. I really have to concentrate on paper to get good groups.
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Post by: c'ville on August 03, 2010, 03:59:00 PM
I turned my target around so that the blank back was facing me and I put a yellow wal-mart smiley on it.  Made my shots much closer to my spot regardless of range.  Even if I change distance with every shot.  I like the golf ball idea a lot.
Always hated those smileys.
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Post by: S.C. Hunter on August 03, 2010, 11:28:00 PM
I agree I don't like the big targets at the indoor range. I often pick up the fletching from the floor and put one in the foam wall and watch the compound shooters jaw drop. It is great, I can shoot the big targets just harder to pick a spot to many colors to many sizes.
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Post by: Cottonwood on August 04, 2010, 11:25:00 AM
I use a 3-D insert on top of a bale target, backed by another large bale target.  Yesterday morning I decided to hang a tennis ball in front of the kill zone.  I ruined that tennis ball with 6 arrows without stacking my arrows ie robinhooding them.

On another forum board ie The Green Screen, we do what is called First Shot Friday (FSF) meaning the first arrow for the day.  You get 1 arrow, at a single small target for the event.

It hones your skill.

This weeks event, a grape suspended from 12" of string, to be shot from just 12 yards.  Last weeks event was a foam plate with a 1" circle cut in the center placed at 12" out from the target bale at 20 yards.  The winner would be the closest to the hole in the center.  I shot it, I got it, but remeasured my yardage and found that I was just at 19 yards and a few inches so I DQ'd myself.  I could have said that I was at 20 yards, but its a game of honesty.

Very fun to do.
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Post by: RocketDog on August 04, 2010, 12:24:00 PM
That FSF sounds like fun.  I know a guy that sticks playing cards onto his bales or targets for a smaller and more interesting spot.

I think the 3D idea hanging in front of the target is a great idea.  I have a couple of small 3D targets, a turkey and a raccoon and have noticed it is always a little trickier to judge distance from them (they aren't near a regualr target)

If you want to try a cheap 3D target, get one of Walmarts turkey decoys and stuff it with plastic bags or something -- about $10)