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Title: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: Covey on November 29, 2009, 06:34:00 PM
It don't matter if it's 30# or 70# I always seem to shake a little at full draw! it don't seem to hinder me, but kind of annoying! anybody else have this problem? Jason
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: Ragnarok Forge on November 29, 2009, 08:19:00 PM
For me I shake when I have shot a lot and I am tired.  It tells me that I am pulling with my arm and not my back muscles.  It is normally my shoulder muscles struggling that makes me shake.
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: TheFatboy on November 30, 2009, 05:36:00 AM
How do you warm up?
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: BobCo 1965 on November 30, 2009, 08:44:00 AM
A lot of times strength training, especially on the bow shoulder and tricept can help.

And yes, I do suffer from the same type of fatigue.
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: freefeet on November 30, 2009, 09:15:00 AM
Stop drinking coffee!     :D
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: Covey on November 30, 2009, 04:02:00 PM
I do chin ups, push ups, and try to exercise! my bow is 54 at 28 I pull right at 29 maybe a little over but it wouldnt matter if it was 30# I still seem to shake! beats me! Jason
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: Stevee on December 08, 2009, 03:27:00 PM
Ok Covey, try this. As you are drawing up, you need to be taking a good deep breath only stopping when at the anchor. This does a number of things. One, it enriches the blood and therefore the muscles with oxygen, and two, it ensures you are taking the strain across your shoulders, back and chest, rather than just your arms. Give it a go, fella!! Betcha it works.
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: Mike Bolin on December 08, 2009, 05:44:00 PM
Jason, for ME, I shake when I am not pushing with my bow arm. Try it and see if it is the same for you.....when you start to shake, concentrate on pushing/extending your bow arm. Let us know what works for you and good luck! Mike
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: Terry Green on December 08, 2009, 09:02:00 PM
I never get the shakes.....cause I never stop pulling.  It may LOOK like I stop, or it may not...I don't know,.....but I am still creeping back and never at rest.

Even if you 'stop' or 'pause' at anchor, you wont shake if you will continue rearward tension.

An anchor point should never be a resting place....but instead, an evolution to execution.
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: Coldspring on December 22, 2009, 07:39:00 PM
I'm with Terry on this one.
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: bowslinger on December 23, 2009, 02:00:00 AM
I am with Mike on this one, and Terry on the pause at anchor.  If I do not have my bow arm fully extended, I shake.  When I do this, I usually hit left by several inches.

As soon as I extend my bow arm fully, and draw with my shoulders, I pause briefly at full anchor and no shakes.  One way I figured out I was shaking was to count one-one thousand, two-one thousand at anchor.  That slight delay in the release gave me time to realize I was shaking right before the shot.

One useful technique may be to steal a page from the PSE wheely coaches.  Try standing or sitting in front of a target at close range.  Draw with your eyes closed and "feel" your form.  Practice shooting several arrows with your eyes closed, focusing only on form (push-pull, anchor, breathing, etc.).  It can really help you with proper form by eliminating the focus on aiming,freeing your mind to focus purely on form.  Any time I feel I am really struggling with form, I use this exercise to re-enforce proper form and muscle memory of what a solid draw should feel like.  It really helps me with accuracy.  Shooting with your eyes closed can take some getting used to.  You may have some one watch you to see if you flinch or pull your head away from the bow when you shoot.  In other words, after the shot, be sure to follow through.
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: TSP on December 26, 2009, 01:16:00 PM
If you normally hold the bow with an open hand (straight wrist, target-shooter style) try a low-wrist/fingers wrapped/firm grip on the bow.  This method, along with push/pull, offers better control of the bow and bow hand and might help solve your shaking problem.
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: Walt Francis on December 26, 2009, 11:57:00 PM
I shake whenever I shoot targets, just can't stop the tip of the arrow from moving.  When shooting at a live animals the bow and the arrow don't move, they are both dead still.  I haven't been able to figure out why but I won't complain.  This is when shooting left-handed and using a gap aiming method.  When shooting right-handed, with a dead release and instinctive aiming, I haven't noticed any shakes but don't shoot as accurately.
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: sdpeb1 on December 31, 2009, 05:26:00 AM
I've never been able to keep dead still while aiming. I used to worry about it but I just think some people are just shaky by nature or age. I shoot great and surprised that even with my shaking my groups are very good at the max distance I can shoot which is 35yrds. I think your subconscious takes over it you relax and concentrate on the spot you want the arrow to hit.- Steve
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: TSP on January 01, 2010, 07:58:00 PM
For some, shaking may be an indication of a mental lapse (like lack of concentration on the mark) more than a physical lapse (overbowed, bad form, etc.).  If you notice that you shake while you shoot then you might not be focusing hard enough on your spot or sight picture...because otherwise you wouldn't notice the shaking, lol.  Some close to-the-bale shooting to reinforce form and focus might help.
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Post by: sdpeb1 on January 01, 2010, 11:53:00 PM
You have a good point TSP. I think it would be easy to tell if the shaking is caused by the strain of being over bowed. There is a difference between the physical inability to hold very steady and being shakey, which I would attribute to overbowed or improper alignment-- Steve
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: TSP on January 02, 2010, 08:47:00 AM
Sdpeb1, in my case firming up my grip and re-developing how I form my sight picture (target focus) did cure my shakes awhile back...and a few other form-related maladies to boot.    :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: sdpeb1 on January 02, 2010, 09:12:00 AM
TSP, I think the only time I've noticed shaking in my is if I have any caffiene based drink prior to shooting. I also have noticed I have a harder time holding steady if I had a stressful day, and I can overcome that if I recognize it by just taking some time prior to shooting and closing my eyes and letting the tension out and letting my muscles relax. I have worked on both ends of grip pressure and have been happy at times with both but currently I'm using a very light grip with the thought of letting the bow do it job and not trying to control it.- Steve
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: bshunter on January 02, 2010, 09:18:00 PM
sometimes I jerk(target panic) and when I get a shot at a big 'ol slunger...I SHAKE! Greene said it best...never stop pulling. Rod Jenkins told me the same thing, now I shoot #45 instead of #55 and it makes things alot easier for me.
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: Covey on January 03, 2010, 03:45:00 PM
Targets, bales, stumps, wall, etc... my son's bow is 40 @ 28" my bow is 54 @ 28" no matter still shake! maybe I need to quit drinking so much coffee! HA! Jason
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: fido dog on January 05, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
I never get the shakes.....cause I never stop pulling.  It may LOOK like I stop, or it may not...I don't know,.....but I am still creeping back and never at rest.

Even if you 'stop' or 'pause' at anchor, you wont shake if you will continue rearward tension.

An anchor point should never be a resting place....but instead, an evolution to execution.
Terry, I'm shooting a bow now that is 7# heavier than what I started with. Guru gave me some pointers and WOW! I know exactly what you're talking about. Even with the heavier bow....no shakes. One motion....with follow through.
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: Freebooter on January 06, 2010, 01:12:00 AM
Hello,
If I have not shot in a long time and am out of practice and shape, I shake too, especially if I try to hold for a moment. Also, if I get tired I will. But if I am practiced up and have shot a lot over a period of time and gotten my body and bowshooting muscles all in good shape I don't shake, unless I hold too long or get tired.
Freebooter
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: turkeyslayer on January 13, 2010, 07:53:00 PM
make sure you are definately drawing/holding with your back,could possibly be arm drawing/holding.
keith
Title: Re: Anybody get the shakes?
Post by: Shakes.602 on January 16, 2010, 03:36:00 PM
Thats how I Got My Handle!! Back in 6 of '02!!