How many of you that use either of these heads, hunt with them straight out of the package? I hear about how sharp they are, but I have never felt they were that sharp "out of the box"
I just got some 150 gr buzzcuts and have 125 gr as well. The serrations feel ok but the rest of the blade, not so much. If you touch them up, what is your prefered metthod?
They fly great, so I am wanting to use them this fall. Just curious what your experiences are with them on game.
I have used Stingers for the last 4 seasons....and have had excellent results using them straight out of the pack. I feel that they are plenty sharp enough.
Honestly thats the reason I use the Stingers....because I am sharpening challenged. Its easy for me to just switch the blades and have a new head ready to go.
I shot a doe last weekend with a head I had left over from last season....and it was still plenty sharp. She left a blood trail that a blind man could follow.
May as well post this again, since photobuckets mishap.
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This is the second one I used on deer. First one just had the bleeder sheer off. No exit, this happened after a bit of penetration judging by the entrance wound. Didn't go far. Wont find any more in my broadhead collection.
I use them and they are flawless not saying there may be a miss hap here and there the 2 blades imho are always stronger but as far as sharpness if I can shave hair off my arm with them right out of the pack .. and I always have what more could you ask for plus with a lifetime warranty that's just the cherry on top of the cake
I should add I'm also shooting the 4 blades right now ... I'd not hesitate to shoot a buck of a lifetime with one right out the pack
First time I used a Stinger with bleeders there was a lot of blood. They are sharp enough for deer out of the package IMHO. 'Fred Bear' sharp if you will. They don't have a large cutting diameter so shot placement is a factor. Can't speak for the Buzzcuts. I also keep some Muzzy Phantoms around, they are a bit larger blade and one of my current go-tos for lighter duty.
I like them. They are sharp enough to hunt with. A sharping guru could make them sharper, but that can be said with most heads.
Great broadheads, fly well, cut well, sharpen easily, of course you have to put them in the right spot☺️
The first time I used one I shot a doe straight down through the shoulder blades and the arrow was stuck in the ground after the pass through. The deer only went about 40 yards and left a good blood trail. That was straight out of the pack so I wouldn't hesitate to use them again
I've had both sharp and not so sharp results from new heads, been a few years since I shot them though, usually a strop got them where they need to be. After shooting them, I used the accusharp and then stropped them. KME works too!
QuoteOriginally posted by old_goat2:
I've had both sharp and not so sharp results from new heads, been a few years since I shot them though, usually a strop got them where they need to be. After shooting them, I used the accusharp and then stropped them. KME works too!
This has been my experience, but I only use a KME to touch up or shrpen them.
Bisch
QuoteOriginally posted by old_goat2:
I've had both sharp and not so sharp results from new heads, been a few years since I shot them though, usually a strop got them where they need to be. After shooting them, I used the accusharp and then stropped them. KME works too!
This has been my experience, but I only use a KME to touch up or shrpen them.
Bisch
QuoteOriginally posted by old_goat2:
I've had both sharp and not so sharp results from new heads, been a few years since I shot them though, usually a strop got them where they need to be. After shooting them, I used the accusharp and then stropped them. KME works too!
This has been my experience, but I only use a KME to touch up or shrpen them.
Bisch
QuoteOriginally posted by old_goat2:
I've had both sharp and not so sharp results from new heads, been a few years since I shot them though, usually a strop got them where they need to be. After shooting them, I used the accusharp and then stropped them. KME works too!
This has been my experience, but I only use a KME to touch up or shrpen them.
Bisch
QuoteOriginally posted by old_goat2:
I've had both sharp and not so sharp results from new heads, been a few years since I shot them though, usually a strop got them where they need to be. After shooting them, I used the accusharp and then stropped them. KME works too!
This has been my experience, but I only use a KME to touch up or shrpen them.
Bisch
QuoteOriginally posted by old_goat2:
I've had both sharp and not so sharp results from new heads, been a few years since I shot them though, usually a strop got them where they need to be. After shooting them, I used the accusharp and then stropped them. KME works too!
This has been my experience, but I only use a KME to touch up or shrpen them.
Bisch
QuoteOriginally posted by old_goat2:
I've had both sharp and not so sharp results from new heads, been a few years since I shot them though, usually a strop got them where they need to be. After shooting them, I used the accusharp and then stropped them. KME works too!
This has been my experience, but I only use a KME to touch up or shrpen them.
Bisch
I hate this computer! I only hit Enter once after typing my response!!!!
I hate this computer! I only hit Enter once after typing my response, and this only happens on TradGang!!!!
Bisch
Hey, Bisch, have you ever used the kme?
Murray
LOL
I like serrated heads,I've been doing my own for years. I just got a couple packs of the 2bld 150gr BuzzCut's.
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Here's an Ace head that I serrated last year
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Always believed that a straight/sharp cut would not clot and seal like a jagged/dull cut?? Am I wrong??
Where you're wrong is where you put jagged and dull together. Serrations are not dull, I hone over the whole blade including the serrations.
Sorry but you're also wrong that a serrated edge will clot and seal.
Ron,
Do you think the buzzcut feel sharp enough right our of the pack?
I don't mind being proven wrong at all Ron. I always try to keep an open mind. Thank you for your input and I value your expertise and experience greatly!!
I just know through the years that it always seemed when I cut myself with a a very sharp edge (razor blade, X-Acto, etc.) it seemed like it would take forever to clot. I cannot say I had ever cut myself with a sharp AND serrated edge though to compare, only dull objects (rocks, cement, etc.).
You must feel there is a distinct advantage to the serrations I am assuming since you did it YEARS before it was done commercially??
Out of curiosity I just went an opened a brand new pack of Stingers, purchased last Black Friday. They're as sharp as any I've bought in years past. I'm sure a few slip through that are less sharp than we'd like.
I hear you, I use to keep a styptic pencil in my medicine cabinet when I shaved/ trimmed with a straight razor.
But like my buddy Norm Blaker told a guy once when he questioned the serrated edge of Norms broadhead, "I'm not tryin to shave em I'm tryin to kill em"
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Just wondering if Bisch has ever used these?
I used to use Stingers and have since moved away from them. In my experience they flew straight out of most bows. They made more noise than solid heads. They killed everything that I hit with one. That said, I had concerns with the durability.
While I never had completely catastrophic failures like shown above, I did have the ferrules on a few get boogered up and make the replacement blades harder to get in. I also had one get bent on me once. I just kind of lost confidence in them due to the aluminum ferrule and have thus gone to all steel broadheads.
I use the 2 blade stingers and really like them. Have not had durability issue yet. Buck I shot 2 years ago is in the pic below hanging head down. Quartering away shot, broadhead entered at back of ribs exited low through ribs and then hit the humerus square on. As you can see, it sliced and/or busted through the humerus of the front leg. No damage to the broadhead. Deer made it about 75 yards.
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QuoteOriginally posted by GDPolk:
I used to use Stingers and have since moved away from them. In my experience they flew straight out of most bows. They made more noise than solid heads. They killed everything that I hit with one. That said, I had concerns with the durability.
While I never had completely catastrophic failures like shown above, I did have the ferrules on a few get boogered up and make the replacement blades harder to get in. I also had one get bent on me once. I just kind of lost confidence in them due to the aluminum ferrule and have thus gone to all steel broadheads.
They carry a lifetime warranty, and don't bat an eye at honoring it. There is something about shooting a big thick steel broadhead though.
I bought some for my wife to shoot out of her wheel bow a couple of years ago. Buzzcuts. After looking them over I decided I'd try them as well. I've killed 5 deer and a turkey with them and my wife killed her first deer and turkey with them. We haven't had any issues with them. However of the 5 deer I killed 4 of them were double lung shots. The fifth one was a straight liver hit. I can't say that the blood trails have been the greatest. Adequate but not as good as what I used to get with my woodsmans. But I always get 2 holes with the buzzcuts and since I only shoot about 50 pounds or so I had cases with the woodsmans where I did not get two holes which resulted in zero blood on the ground and lots of time on my hands and knees. This year I'm likely going to hunt with 150 grain buzzcuts.
I just bought some this week. I'll see how I like them.
MIBIGHNTR,you are not wrong,it is a medical fact. Though the idea is to kill not to shave it don't change that fact. Another fact is a jagged tear in tissue or hide don't heal well. Just some thing to consider if a less than perfect shot happens. Check the failure on Doug's post. Look at the picture on Ron's post. There is very little metal between the vent and the serrations and the serrations score the metal like you would do if you want to break steel or glass. Hard to imagine a weaker design but they do work when all goes well. >>>----> Ken
As for the issue of durability, when the Bear Razorhead came out it was the latest and greatest head on the market. I cant remember how many deer I killed with that head. The main blade was soft metal and sharpened easily. The bleeder blade was thin and designed to collapse when it hit bone (rib bones). After going through a deer the head was usually bent in almost a C shape and the bleeder blade was either gone or badly bent BUT it always killed the deer.
Just think what a great head it would have been if the blades had been serrated. :biglaugh:
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Yes, serrations would have really helped the bending? NOT Better steel or heat treating maybe???. Any way many of us moved on from bending, breaking, noisy heads. Papa Bear him self said "avoid serrated scalloped heads, though they look wicked the teeth fill with hair,tallow,and tissue,impending clean cutting and penetration". Yes they both still work but there are much better heads out there. My 2 ¢ worth.>>>----> Ken
Fred said that because he wasn't selling serrated heads. Other's including myself have testified that serrated heads do NOT fill with hair and tallow.
We all appreciate what Fred did for bowhunting but he, like everyone else had his own opinions. For one he tried to get the poison pod legalized. Not a good idea because a hunter didn't have to be sure and make a killing shot. A hit anywhere would be a dead deer.
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Maybe Fred didn't have the means,equipment,or sales distribution to cut grooves in his heads and market them,if he felt they were worth while. You are right though we all have an opinion. Some hang on to them until the very end.:^) >>--->Ken
Ken, everyone has opinions but most of them are not based on experience...therein lies the difference.:^)>>--->Ron
At about 4:30 today I killed a hog with a buzzcut with bleeders. 40 pound bow. Shot in the heart from 5 yards. It looked like a gunshot wound when the arrow hit. The buzzcut was in perfect shape. Barely needs touching up after going through inches of fat and pig hide. I would use it again but I am retiring it as a memento since its my first bow kill.
I think they need a little work out of the box but they do come decently sharp.
I did not get an exit wound. It got the offside shoulder and almost went through the hide. Performed great. Hog dropped dead after about 40 yards.
Ron,that is rather weak.Not sure I understand. Fred Bear didn't have experience? How about Howard Hill? Maybe Ben Pearson? Terry has killed a few head of game I wonder if he has an opinion?I have conducted exhaustive test which I offered to share. I have also hunted in a 5 deer Texas County for many many years. It was quite the proving ground but I have no experience? Oh well it is all good.Take care. >>>----> Ken
Ken, I said most of them...not all of them. ---You said,
Quote I would use it again but I am retiring it as a memento since its my first bow kill.
Experience starts with the first kill, mine was was 55 years ago.
I have used them for several years. I find them to be sharp and accurate...DaveMP
Ron I have not idea where you got that quote. I don't think you would make up something but after emails P.M.'s and post here and on other sites I thought you knew better. I am 76 years old and have been killing deer and hogs since I was a teenager. My first hog and first bear was with a 44# Damon Howatt super D.2 bears,3 Javelina,and I lost count of the deer,rabbits,s and feral hogs many years ago. I didn't write or publish pictures. I am not a Legend like you. That sure don't men other folks don't have as much experience as you. Did you get my emails I have asked before in a PM but no reply. I guess the facts just can't compete with a Legend.
I don't know what I did to post that before it was finished. I went back to add fish,including some big gar and sharks. Then the letter vanished. Proof reading, I had some fat finger mistakes. Should have been no instead of not. Should be mean instead of men. now I am done.>>>----> Ken
O.K. I got it that was a quote from NANTAHALA NUT It looks like that would be hard to mix up with KEN but I understand we are getting up in years. You are not mixing up other details or mis- remembering are you? LoL :^) Have a good one Ken
Well looks like I was saddled with some one else's quote then abandoned. Oh well.>>>----> Ken
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