Getting a 43#@28(draw 27) Robertson raven styk
planning for a hunting set up for deer. Going for 10gpp arrows roughly.
I know shot placement and sharpness are key but been thinking 3 blades much harder to stop bleeding that 2 but will I have enough power? Or should I just stick with 2 blades for penetration?
I'd use a Wensel Woodsman with that set up.
Two blades are lethal and work well with vital marks in conjunction with a moderately designed arrow.
Would personally be much more comfortable with a total arrow wt at 500 gn minimum and a 2 blade BH.
Guided two trad hunters to their first deer harvest last season. One had been 0 for 31 and the other was to take his first shot ever on live game. They both were shooting approximately 40#s...525 gn arrows and 2 blade BH's. Both were complete pass thru's and very short recoveries on their first attempts.
I am alright with 500 gr, I like woods but In this case perhaps a high foc carbon setup to maximize pass through chances.
I've shot the vpa 3 blade at 45# on deer with a 480 grain arrow and had no problem with penetration. Make em sharp and put them in the right spot.
If u was shooting a 40# draw weight, I would stick with a 2-blade!
JMHO
YMMV
Bisch
I'm with Bisch. I'm shooting 45# and I go with a 2 blade.
Just better blood trail with three blade in my opinion.
I'd go with a 2 blade--Magnus, Simmons, Zwickey.
Sharpen them up and shoot em straight.
Josh
I'd lean toward a two-blade as well, but a small three-blade like a Woodsman (as opposed to a Snuffer, for example) would do the job as well.
I would go with 2 blade as well to increase the possibility of an exit hole. 3 blades do give better blood trails but exit hole is really what gives you the good blood trail. I shoot 47# and 515 grains. Shot a deer with a 3 blade Woodsman and busted both shoulder blades but just barely broke the skin on the far side. Hardly any blood to follow but she didn't go far at all. Shot a deer in Kansas with a two blade Cutthroat and it broke rib bone going in and shoulder bone going out and penetrated enough to get an exit hole. Great blood trail.
To qualify: I was shooting from an elevated stand on both of these deer and that's when a high entry and no exit cost you the most. If your ground hunting you still get decent blood with only an entry hole and a 3 blade would help in that situation.
I'm gonna try some grizzly single bevels this year as I've dropped a few pounds to about 43. I also upped my arrow weight about 60 grains because I'm gonna go after some hogs in January but I wouldn't hesitate to try my vpa's for deer. I haven't shot a lot of deer with traditional equipment so I would probably take advice from someone like Bisch who is a flat out killer
I am with John in that if you hunt from an elevated position go with 2 blade. You need the exit hole to get a decent blood trail. I like 3 blades hunting from the ground as well.
Dave
Are you shooting front loaded carbons? If you are then the three blades will work, if shooting wood I would use the two blades.
Drawing 27 then 40-41#, 2 blade would be my choice and agree with a heavier arrow like 500gr.
My choice is a 125gr. Magnus II.
What kind of head you shoot is up to you. Shoot what flies well for you and you can get good and sharp. Put that arrow where it's supposed to go and any head will kill the deer in short order. Any bad hit will not be a good hit just because you used a 3 blade. Dont worry about the blood trail. Worry about getting close and making a good hit to make a quick kill. Then you can watch them fall. These 2 v 3 blade arguments are just silly.
QuoteOriginally posted by NY Yankee:
These 2 v 3 blade arguments are just silly.
Yeah.... that's why I use four blades. :biglaugh:
This is Trad Gang. It's not an argument it's a discussion.
:campfire:
I have come to prefer 3 blades with a lot of my set ups since I was shooting through deer so easily with 2 blades I figured I was wasting cutting power.
If I am not shooting a 3 blade it's a large 2 blade like a Tusker Delta or a Simmons. Best of both worlds.
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
QuoteOriginally posted by NY Yankee:
These 2 v 3 blade arguments are just silly.
Yeah.... that's why I use four blades. :biglaugh: [/b]
GO GET EM TERRY!!! HA!
At 40lb I would go with a 2 blade, especially with a big Canadian WT or mulie, a lot bigger than a central texas whitetail.
I like Mint's advice best. But, also appreciate the humorous responses too!
Poundage is light Canadian deer are big. I still think you'll be fine with either on a good shot. The only advice I would have is if you go 2 blade go big. That's what I prefer a big MA1.
Cool thanks guys, now I just gotta decide which 2 black I want. Leaning towards a 200gr Ace or a grizzly.
I'd go with a 2 blade personally.
VPA or Magnus 2 blade is my choice for that bow.
On a serious note....If I had to shoot that weight and draw on a CANADIAN deer....I would use a POINTY 2 blade head.
Contrary to what many believe all bheads are NOT the same...they are designed to do different things....they are TOOLS...and you don't build a house with just a screw driver.
Using an overly tanto will not be an advantage....it will tent more at impact, and its NOT going to bust through a heavy Canadian shoulder with the 'bone busting' advantages that a tanto gives with a heavier weight bow....so...
Take advantage of POINTY heads, or a SLIGHT tanto, that wont rob you of energy at impact and let you travel further with that light weight bow and arrow. And remember....folks hit a little back about 85-90% vs too far forward(study done right here on TradGang).
So again, place your bet on the MOST LIKELY worst case scenario of too far back and lets get a pass through....
I don't find BroadHead discussions silly....I find them serious.
150 gr Magnus Stingers with bleeder blades are the best of both worlds. Just my experience!
Great points Terry ( no pun intended) :-)
I am shooting lower poundage, as I get older, and a well known arrow maker told me the same thing about pointy 2 blade and not tanto at low draw weights.
I wish they still made STOS but I think Zwickey Eskimos will work :-)
Thanks!!
Great points Terry ( no pun intended) :-)
I am shooting lower poundage, as I get older, and a well known arrow maker told me the same thing about pointy 2 blade and not tanto at low draw weights.
I wish they still made STOS but I think Zwickey Eskimos will work :-)
Thanks!!
You are shooting a pretty low draw weight so maximum penetration has to be a consideration. Two blade heads, in general, will penetrate much better than three blade. You could get adequate penetration to kill deer with a three blade at your draw weight, but you may have issues with penetration if you have to penetrate front leg muscle or should muscle.