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Title: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: LBR on June 05, 2017, 10:56:00 AM
Had a great time at the Howard Hill this past weekend, except...sometime while I was loading my truck yesterday, someone stole a valuable item from it.

I was back and forth, loading my truck and helping my neighbor who was set up across from me.  I was too trusting...didn't have the truck locked, even left a door open for a little while as we were back and forth.

Someone was watching.  I never expected it to happen here, but there was also a big gem show going on maybe 100 yds from where we were set up and I know there are pieces of garbage that come to events just looking for something to steal.  One found me.

Anyhow...point being, no matter how well you know a place, or the people set up around you, there are still skunks around.  CYA.  My folks would have called this a "bought lesson".  Won't have to learn this one again.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: Butch Speer on June 05, 2017, 11:07:00 AM
Sorry to hear. I know it feels like you've been violated.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: M60gunner on June 05, 2017, 01:58:00 PM
That just plain stinks. We had a bow swiped off the sellers table while he was showing another bow to a potential customer. This was at our annual Trad shoot. Being raised near Chicago  we lock up the locks
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: longbow fanatic 1 on June 05, 2017, 02:21:00 PM
That's too bad. Recently, I went to a 3-d event with a friend. As I hung my bow on the rack outside the clubhouse, my friend told me he wouldn't hang his bow there because an archer had recently had his bow stolen at a local shoot while it was hanging on a rack. Sad and pathetic indeed!
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: LBR on June 05, 2017, 02:54:00 PM
Skunks are everywhere.  Normally I keep the truck locked, and this item was in a spot where you had to really be looking to see it...kinda' hidden in plain sight.  I was just a few feet from the truck almost the whole time, so I thought it was safe.  Learned my lesson.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: Homey88 on June 05, 2017, 03:11:00 PM
Sorry to hear about that. That really stinks that you had that happen. Hopefully karma catches up with that person down the road.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: Pine on June 05, 2017, 04:04:00 PM
Wow , my wife and I were just talking about that same kind of thing just earlier today .
Sorry to hear that .
People don't stop amazing me just how rotten they can be .
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: McDave on June 05, 2017, 06:03:00 PM
Reminds me of something that happened during my pre-bowhunting days when I was sighting in a rifle at a range.  I had gone down range to change targets, and when I got back, my spotting scope was gone.  It was sitting on my shooting bench, with my ammunition and other shooting gizmos.  There were people shooting on both sides of me, who were downrange at the same time I was.  People may have come and gone from other shooting positions while I was downrange.  Nobody saw nuttin'.  Probably somebody on their way out just saw my spotting scope sitting there with nobody watching it, and grabbed it.  Nothing unusual about somebody walking off a range with a spotting scope in their hands.  Maybe today it would be recorded, but in those days they didn't do that.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: Lowrider on June 05, 2017, 06:25:00 PM
Hate to hear that Chad. I have had things stolen and really feel violated when it happens. There is nothing I dislike more than a thief or a liar.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: The Vanilla Gorilla on June 05, 2017, 07:20:00 PM
I know the feeling.  I had cash and a bow stolen from me...and it was on a trad group hunt!
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: nineworlds9 on June 05, 2017, 07:32:00 PM
Damn a thief to Perdition
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: bunyan on June 05, 2017, 07:43:00 PM
Thieves show no respect for others. When I was younger I was working the front desk at a health club where members often left their keys if they didn't want to bother with a locker. A coworker really liked a member's keychain and I actually witnessed his thought process as he worked through liking the keychain to convincing himself that he actually deserved it! It was sickening, disturbing, and fascinating at the same time. I stood guard over those keys to ensure my coworker couldn't take the keychain himself. He didn't, so I couldn't really report it to anyone.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: Shadowhnter on June 05, 2017, 08:37:00 PM
I'm also a trapper...so experiencing theft for me is pretty common. I've always said its amazing how people that would normally call themselves good honest people, turn thief the instant they think nobody is watching and chances are low of being caught. The measure of honesty is in NOT stealing, when you know you could get away with it. Sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: LBR on June 05, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
I'm a firm believer in what comes around goes around.  Whoever did it will get theirs in due time.  

Meanwhile, I've been blessed with good fortune many times over.  More than enough to cover this loss.  At least it had no sentimental value, and can be replaced.

I appreciate the sentiments.  Any way you slice it, thieves suck.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: BOHO on June 05, 2017, 09:31:00 PM
What was taken Chad ?
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Post by: Sam McMichael on June 05, 2017, 09:43:00 PM
I am sorry to hear that this event was marred by such a low life. A thief is just about as low as it gets.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: SELFBOW19953 on June 05, 2017, 10:14:00 PM
Can you/will you describe the item so that "the rest of us" can be on the look out for it?
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: Gil on June 06, 2017, 05:21:00 AM
They are everywhere.  A very expensive knife was stolen from a makers table at Bladeshow in Atlanta just this weekend too.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: jwhitetail on June 07, 2017, 09:59:00 AM
That is really discouraging.  Thievery is one of the lowest forms of human behavior.  I have taken to locking my rig at the archery range now after hearing a similar story of someone losing a pair of binoculars out of a truck.  Stinks.

JW
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: Sam McMichael on June 07, 2017, 01:10:00 PM
Damn a thief! There is not much of anything lower in my opinion.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: SteveB on June 07, 2017, 03:26:00 PM
No worse feeling than when it hits you that you've been taken. Loss of trust can hurt worse than the loss of the item.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: ARCHER2 on June 07, 2017, 03:41:00 PM
Can't stand a liar and a thief ! Chut'em !   :archer2:
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: hitman on June 07, 2017, 08:56:00 PM
Several years ago a good friend of mine was at the local gun range shooting some guns and when he walked up to the target a young man came up to the bench and got his guns. That wasn't the worse thing, he murdered him and stole his truck. Luckily he was captured and sent to prison for life. Never be to careful.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: John Malone on June 08, 2017, 12:07:00 AM
Had my house broken into years ago, had my Fathers and my Grandfathers bows on the wall in my den (lost both to cancer). They took em both, and I cried like a girl. Kinda glad they never found out who did it, do believe id be in prison.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: LBR on June 08, 2017, 02:24:00 PM
Like I said, I'm a firm believer in "what comes around goes around".  Case in point (long story):

Back in 2002, I had a fellow contact me wanting to buy a bow for his friend (when I was a dealer for a custom bow company).  His friend had never shot a traditional bow and wanted a 65@28 to start with.  I told him that was too much to start, he said he knew that but his friend insisted, so I put the order in and got the bow.  He wanted it "fast tracked", because he'd made a bet that he could "kill a deer with a recurve".  I got the check, drawn on an archery shop, all was good.  This was 14 AUG 02.

Within a few days the guy who bought the bow contacted me, telling me I was right.  He couldn't pull the bow, and was desperate because he had the afore-mentioned hunt coming up and needed to be practicing.  Ok, I just happened to have a left-handed bow on hand, 45@28 IIRC, that I sent as a loaner while new limbs were ordered for the original bow (a TD).  New limbs were sent on 09 SEP 02.

Week or so later, guy calls me saying new limbs weren't there and he needed a bow NOW (as if his lack of planning and ordering the wrong bow was my fault).

I call the bowyer.  He happened to have an entire new bow on  hand that he was willing to sell cheap.  Guy said he would take it.  Bow shipped direct to him, to save time and get it there ASAP.

Then...nothing.  Extra limbs, loaner bow (brand new bow), and another entire take-down bow had been shipped and the guy never contacts me or pays, in spite of getting moved up in the line at no charge.  When I call, the phone isn't answered.  After a while, I get a message that the phone has been disconnected.

Now what?  Well, just so happens I have a friend here and there...one in particular that lives in the same area and can help me out.  He finds out the guy moved and gets me the new address and phone number.  I call again, get a little girl.  She hollers at her dad, then she asked "who's calling?".  I told her, she tells him, then tells me "he's busy, he will have to call you back later".  Then, once again, no answer whenever I call.

Meanwhile, I ask my friend what I can do.  Basically, nothing.  I have no way to prove anything.  If I sue, my word against his.  If I go "visit", I could be prosecuted or even shot for trespassing and he would be legal.  Crap.  So I file it away...

What I can only refer to as divine intervention, several years later I'm staying with another friend who has terminal cancer.  We are watching a Primos elk hunting video, and I'll be danged...in the introduction, Mr. Will calls this fellow's name.  I think "no way!".  Then I keep watching. The guy is from MS.  He's not shooting a trad bow, but he IS left-handed.  What are the chances?  Again, I file it away.

Then, the icing on the cake.  Out of the blue, a fellow I hadn't seen before or since shows up at my little shop out in the middle of nowhere.  Somehow we wind up on the subject of this guy, and how I'd seen him on a Primos video.  This guy who just showed up says "Why don't you call Mr. Will?  He's a really nice guy and will help if he can".  He even gave me Mr. Will (Primos) phone number--he knows him.  Wow.  I call, get a lady on the phone, explain the situation.  I call the guy's name and asked if they possibly knew him.  "Why yes, he's our insurance agent!".  Wow again.  She listened to the story and said she would relay it to Mr. Will.

Next day, the skunk calls me, all cocky and says "I hear you been telling tales on me to Mr. Will Primos".  I unloaded.  I've never spoke to an animal, much less a person, like I did this piece of garbage.  His tune changed immediately.  He first claimed he had no recollection of what I said, but then said "well how much do you want me to send you?".  I unloaded again, because it wasn't about the money from 8 years ago.  When I got done I shot a number out (not nearly enough, I figured out later) and he said "you'll get a check tomorrow".  And I did.  What really got his attention was when I told him I have his SSN (and I did--friends in low places pay off--still have it).

Anyhow, that little adventure took 8 years, but it had a happy ending.  I don't know if he kept the Primos account.  I sure hope not.  Last address I have for him he lived in Madison, MS but had an insurance business in Ridgeland MS.  Maybe I'll visit down that way one of these days.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: Eric Krewson on June 08, 2017, 06:00:00 PM
I have had two cars stolen, a brand new 20 mec outboard, house broken into once and my car broken into twice and a number of the snatch and run kind of thefts like you had happen to you.

As bad as the thievery was the complete lack of investigation by the local constabulary who labeled my thefts as JUST a property crime.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: on June 08, 2017, 06:32:00 PM
I had a series of thefts, it ended when I borrowed a game camera and put up a sign that said.  'Don't worry about me calling the police, I will take of you myself.  Look up, smile you're on Candid Camera."
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: BAK on June 09, 2017, 09:27:00 AM
As a cop for 30 years I saw some crazy things.  One that really got me was when a guy called in and reported his car wouldn't move and when we checked someone had crawled under it during the night and stolen the drive shaft.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: on June 09, 2017, 12:58:00 PM
If that was in Story City, lots of weird things went on around there.  Remember when the druggy that lived on the same block as us tried his luck with the rough tough Caseys gal?  He used to hide his stash in the bunch of trees on the SW corner of the block south of the apartments under a bucket.   He was sure that I was going shoot him with an arrow.  I use to jump the fence and  stump shoot in there.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: BAK on June 09, 2017, 03:10:00 PM
No, this happened years later in Montevideo, MN.  We did have our share of dopers there in SC though.  My 2nd in command there took over as Chief when I left in 1988 and he just retired there last month.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: JamesV on June 09, 2017, 05:03:00 PM
I traded a yellow string and cables to fit a Pearson bow to a guy in Arkansas for a set of PSE # 3 senergy wheels. Guy got the string and said it fit great, then I couldn't get him on the phone. Months later I was getting ready for the Arkansas State ASA shoot and a friend called wanting to know if I was going to attend. So happens the string guy was his best friend and said the guy couldn't find the wheels and felt bad about the whole deal and wanted to know if I was going to be cool if I saw him at the shoot. I said sure: I will use my pocket knife to remove MY string from his bow and use my foot to collect the interest. He didn't show for the shoot and I never saw him again.

James
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: on July 07, 2017, 10:43:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by LBR:
I'm a firm believer in what comes around goes around.  Whoever did it will get theirs in due time.  
yep...me too   :readit:
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: Sam McMichael on July 08, 2017, 12:50:00 PM
Every time I read this thread, I get angry all over again. They probably will never recover your property, but as somebody has said, this may also come around to the guy that took yours. They recently caught a guy locally who has been stealing stuff, but my fishing gear was not among the recovered items. Thankfully, most of our members are better than this.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: matt steed on July 08, 2017, 09:35:00 PM
Chad; sorry for your loss. I deal with thieves everyday. It is getting worse and worse.

Maybe someone will come forward with a tip or information.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: Woodpuppy on July 09, 2017, 09:27:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by JamesV:
I traded a yellow string and cables to fit a Pearson bow to a guy in Arkansas for a set of PSE # 3 senergy wheels. Guy got the string and said it fit great, then I couldn't get him on the phone. Months later I was getting ready for the Arkansas State ASA shoot and a friend called wanting to know if I was going to attend. So happens the string guy was his best friend and said the guy couldn't find the wheels and felt bad about the whole deal and wanted to know if I was going to be cool if I saw him at the shoot. I said sure: I will use my pocket knife to remove MY string from his bow and use my foot to collect the interest. He didn't show for the shoot and I never saw him again.

James
I guess I could understand misplacing or losing your trade material (unless it was vaporware in the first place), but you can still work to make it right with another trade item or good old universal cash. Or return the traded item. I don't know what those cables/string cost you, but it sounds like a reasonable price to have bought that ijit's permanent avoidance.
Title: Re: Can't Be Too Careful
Post by: LBR on July 09, 2017, 12:34:00 PM
Thieves will get what's coming to them sooner or later.  Me on the other hand...I've been blessed with way more than I'll ever deserve, so I reckon I'll be fine.  If they can live with it, I can live without it.  Never know though...sooner or later someone is liable to slip up and let the cat out of the bag...